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Miscellaneous => General Off-Topic => Topic started by: Cesque on January 26, 2005, 10:50:53 AM
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It's been 60 years since the concentration camp at Auschwitz-Birkenau (currently at polish city of Oświęcim) has been liberated. That death factory alone led to death of 1.5 million people.
Just letting you know I remember the day, and I am grateful for all soldiers, allied and from Red Army, which helped in liberating german death camps and helped bring the responsible to justice.
(soviets actually did more, since Americans have tried to condemn death camp engineers and alike but found no evidence, soviets just sent the bastards to 25 years at gulags to teach them a lesson)
Ps. For those who know about the case, I still don't get why in UE resolution word "homosexuals" is before "Polish". Not that I care, it just looks absolutely idiotic this way.
Ps. ps. I don't even get why UE needs to make any "resolutions" about holocaust. No document, however formed, will be able to capture a glimpse of tragedy of people put like chickens in cages waiting for their death. Of people bleeding and suffocating from gas unable to get out of enclosed steel walls of gas chambers.
Ps. ps. ps. Auschwitz tragedy, compared to american god-damn puny World Trade Center blow-up was actually extreme and was a final monument to how human beings don't change from prehistory to XX century in dealing pain to another human beings.
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Dude, can't you see none of us, other then you are from Poland!
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Heh, the west says "Never again!" and then does little or nothing about it. Rwanda, anyone?
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Dude, can't you see none of us, other then you are from Poland!
BLEGH! OI!
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Yes DMM, but Cesque's culture is consideribly different from the culture of the US and the UN. There are probably hundreds of thousands of people who still to this day grateful for all soldiers, allied and from Red Army, which helped in liberating german death camps and helped bring the responsible to justice.
I am quite sure that some people's family lines would have been exterminated like I'm sure hundreds, if not thousands, were between the time Hilter came into power and to the end of WW II.
I may not of had any family in Germany when this all went down, but I still do care for history. Several key events that happened could of been dramitically different and the world-as terrible as it is now-might have been even worse.
I had seen serveral old video's of various concentration camps (Auschwitz being one of them), and several people, when I was in 8th grade, vomited at some of the graphic details shown as well as cried.
Ahem. There went my little speach. As for Cesque, I'm glad that you still hold the day in high honors.
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Hm, I've never herd of that. But yes, Happy Anniversary!
And DMM, just because he is the only one from Poland, dosen't mean we should care. Like us Canadians cared about you american's World Trade Center blow-up and such.
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Happy Aniversary!
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Thank you, my family will be happy to hear that. a lot of them were in the war. one died at normandy, my grandfather was an MP in the french algiers, and a few others were all over. one may have seen the death camps, im not sure and not asking.
*gives Cesque a hug*
WTC is NOTHING like the Holocaust but it did have similar affects because many directly knew someone that worked and died there. i have friends that lost relatives, hell i may have lost friends from that and Iraq/Afghanistan. Many friends in armed services, me soon being one of them hopefully. Wish me luck.
Thank you for reminding us Cesque!!!
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I honestly don't see why the hell anyone's comparing 9/11 with the holocaust any ways... Is only one of them allowed to be mourned? They can't both be bad events?
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I agree, that's a good point.
And I'm NOT sucking up. Laughing
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As Haraldur said in a different thread, sucking up is often worse than people being offensive, and can get annoying. It will not help you in this community anyways; as I will treat everyone the same here regardless of how much they kiss ass. I suppose that can be a good thing, or a bad thing, depending on how you see it.
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What the heck is "sucking up"?
Dude, can't you see none of us, other then you are from Poland!
Nazis sent to death not only Polish, but Russians, Rommes (gypsies), Jews, homosexuals and lots of other minorities from the conquered or allied countries. They were gasing people, burning them in furnaces, testing medicines and battles gases on them and producing soap or buttons from their remains.
Ps. German cell company Siemens producing parts for german V2 missiles. German known medical conern Bayer has tested it's medicines on concentration camp prisoners.
Obviously, Americans didn't suffer much so WHY THE HELL SHOULD YOU CARE.
I honestly don't see why the hell anyone's comparing 9/11 with the holocaust any ways... Is only one of them allowed to be mourned? They can't both be bad events?
9/11 was a unitary event, an attack on US. Holocaust was a whole machine of death, it was a system which sent people to be tormented and die, it killed thousands across Europe from Spain to Poland.
The scale of hatred made Great Spanish Inquisition look like a puny antisemitic movement.
Hm, I've never herd of that.
The great canadian educational system... *sigh*
Heh, the west says "Never again!" and then does little or nothing about it. Rwanda, anyone?
Rwanda is slightly different case.
But death camps exist nowadays. Where? In North Korea. They work on pretty much same ways as in nazi Germany, with people working, being killed and experimented on.
All right, thanks to all who care, I hope you die for all who don't, the end.
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What the heck is "sucking up"?
Hmm, this is oddly hard to explain. It's the same thing as kissing ass, heh. Basically trying to make someone, or a group of people, like you more, by giving them compliments, doing stuff for them without there being a need, etc, etc; just to eventually benefit yourself.Obviously, Americans didn't suffer much so WHY THE HELL SHOULD YOU CARE.
I suppose I don't care so much about it being the aniversary, since I personally don't have anyone to mourn or anything, but I suppose it doesn't hurt to acknowledge the event, and remember those whose lives were lost, etc. However, you seem to forget that America isn't called the "Melting pot of the world" for nothing. There are people here from all over the world, especially European countries. I have relatives that live in the Netherlands, who were right in the middle of WWII, the Holocaust, etc. There are Americans who suffered, and care just as much as you do.
9/11 was a unitary event, an attack on US.
So, because it was a single event, it shouldn't be considered a tragedy?
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Hm, I've never herd of that. But yes, Happy Anniversary!
Geez.
Six million Jews, plus others, were systematically slaughtered in the matter of a few years. Men, women, children and babies, and you've "never heard of that". Never heard of the gas chambers? The human furnaces?
What is the world coming too, the youth of today have the knowledge of a fricking acorn.
I don't give two hoots about commemorating the anniversary of liberation - that's a personal choice. But not to know about it is shameful.
And to even compare it to a terrorist attack...
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As Haraldur said in a different thread, sucking up is often worse than people being offensive, and can get annoying. It will not help you in this community anyways; as I will treat everyone the same here regardless of how much they kiss ass. I suppose that can be a good thing, or a bad thing, depending on how you see it.
Who's been editing my posts!?
I said I was NOT sucking up! :angry:
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I think we compare the two events because there has been a great impact on our lives, we saw before and after before our eyes, actually witnessed somthing that bad. I KNOW that it's NOTHING compared to the Holocaust, but it's an event that we all saw directly not only told in history books and old relatives and occsional specials on tv.
The REAL SAD part is that much of modern medical science is the result of those Nazi experiments. THAT F*CKING BLOWS!!!!!!!!!!
The problem with the current "education" system is that they are training drones to work in the factories and such, not bringing out everyone's potential, like they say they are.
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Rwanda and the Holocaust were the results of the same thing: extreme racial intolerance.
Rwanda: 800 000 dead in 3 months.
Holocaust: 6 000 000 dead in 39 months.
800 000 x 39 = 31 200 000
OK, I know this is completely speculative, but Rwanda, while not as bad or as important as the Holocaust, is in my opinion definitely bad enough to deserve a mention.
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hopy crap i didn't know it was THAT bad, jeesh.
what about Nigeria? i heard there was some shady stuff going on there too, i had a friend get shipped out there a while back. that and the Philippines. blegh!! man we are SO not a type 1 civilization, far from it.
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Huh? What the hell?
Was that supposed to be offensive or were you trying to show respect? :blink:
The REAL SAD part is that much of modern medical science is the result of those Nazi experiments. THAT F*CKING BLOWS!!!!!!!!!!
Ignoring medical progress made in a bad way wouldn't change the past. Why should we ignore it and jepordise lives?
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We should think of it in a good way! We stole there medical tech., and we get all the credit for haveing it!
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Huh? What the hell?
Was that supposed to be offensive or were you trying to show respect? :blink:
Neither, I was mocking Cesque's anti-americanism.
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Melting pot of the world, heh...
American jews are not very much like polish ones. American jews don't know hebrew for much part, allow women to enter main synagogue areas, and for some part aren't even circumcised.
Looking at this other way: Polish jews are hardcore orthodox.
Anyway, holocaust helped catholic church achieve it's position in Poland, getting rid of giant part of judaists. I think all priests and pope should be thankful to Hitler. Blegh.
OK, I know this is completely speculative, but Rwanda, while not as bad or as important as the Holocaust, is in my opinion definitely bad enough to deserve a mention.
Indeed.
Altough Rwanda is more like a tribal conflict, while holocaust was performed by one of "most highly advanced" of world civilisations. Which is even more scary.
Ignoring medical progress made in a bad way wouldn't change the past. Why should we ignore it and jepordise lives?
I have to agree.
Sadly, most rapid medical progress is done with drastic methods.
Ever wondered how humans came up with the thing that it's brain which is source of thoughts, not heart?
On a way of vivisection.
Cutting open living animals, then watching their behavior with certain body parts or inside organs cut out.