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Miscellaneous => Archives => General Discussion => Topic started by: Mikeol2004 on January 07, 2004, 04:05:31 PM
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Hello.
Me & My Friend, Kris are making a rpg with the toolkit called hate. this is featured in a town outside london called Greaton (made up by the way) where you are a lowly gangster and you work your way up the ranks (nothing new) but the things that are new is an Interactive Mission system, as well as the Huge town to explore, Players will also have to conduct missions for Several gangs, including:
*Wolf Angels - Neo-Nazi gang
*Toxic Knights - Punk Gang
*Yardies - jamaican Gang
*Triads - Chinese Gang
*Greaton Mob - London-style Gang
Over 40 Great weapons to choose from, ranging from a Broken Bottle to a GG Mini-Gun.
you make and lose money in this game...
I hope this sounds good for you, let me know what you think of it thru my brief description.
(We are also Combating hard to create a simple "online" Feature as well.)
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Sounds impresive...
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what kind of battling are you having? a zelda sorta thing? a darkage2 thing? or none?
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Hey, good to see some ideas around here that's more than something like "Use the magical crystal to save the fairy queen. Oh yeah, you can only use a sword".
Hope to see this one developed Smile
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Cool. Tk version of GTA.
Just add Kuklux Klan and Haiti Voodo-Users!
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Hey, Dont_Think_So, check out my site then. The two games that I have fully planned have no magic chrystals!
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Thanks for the positives guys. this one is definatly going to be in production, we are aiming to complete it within a year, obviously Demo's and Beta versions will become available before then.
something I forgot to mention, in the game, when you do certain missions you will obtain a code, which you then knock in at our site, and you will unlock "Special Features" for the game... Such as Advanced Arsenal (Adv. Glock 17, Adv. Bennelli Shotgun) other special features will include scans of the book that me & my mate, kris first got the ideas from...
@ Cesque-guest -- I think that one Racist group is enough for this game. lol.
@ DarkEite -- We will be having the turn based battle system, but hopefully if Kris gets off his arse, and promises this "new" battle Prg, this will make battles not turn based, but full intereactive, such as the enemys could attack you twice, you would attack maybe if you could, then they attack again, basically like real fighting, so then you dont know where the next Punch is coming from.
I have recently been discussing with kris on maybe the possibilitie of Enroling more TK'ers into the team, If this does go through, would anyone be interested? (Obviously then it would be released quicker.)
Forgot to mention also that when missions are conducted, most of them wont take place in the actual Town, but in the city of london. (this means there will often be a change of scenery)
## Kris is yet to agree on this, but I have thought of the Idea of having a branching storyline (kinda like True Crime: SOLA) where you would never have to play the same mission Twice.##
Any more Ideas from you guys would be very appreciated, dont be afraid to submit them to us.
my email is kris_ager@hotmail.com (http://mailto:kris_ager@hotmail.com)
(kris doesnt check his mail often though)
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In the game, the Drugs trade is also there. and the diffrent drugs will sell for diffrent prices to the diffrent gangs, if you bought drugs from the Yardies (cheap) and sold them to the Punks (gullible) you would get more money than you would if you sold it to the Greaton Mob (sensible, organised).
Also we are going to have propertys to buy, Restuarants to eat at (and Buy) Companys to buy, Vehicles to buy (sell for loads)
and say when you buy like a bottle of alcohol, whiskey for example, it would Increase your FP, but Lower your DP (Status Affects as well) these conditions may vary to the actual quality of the Alcohol.
also the inclusion of seemingly pointless things such as: Toothbrushes, Marbles.. e.t.c, everything you can get in real life.
you can buy books, which tip you about fighting and defending, visit Dojo's to increase your Normal H2H FP, buy maps in the tourist office Blah Blah Blah.
We still need a name for the main character however, the first 5 Ideas I will add to a poll and we will see which one wins. THIS IS YOUR chance to add something to the game!!
Keep posting!!! ...
Mike.
p.s. the site is now up! (its pants, but hey...its got a chatroom, a forum!!! Wooooo)
CONTINUE TO THE SITE (http://http://www.freewebs.com/hatethesite/)
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A name... how a bout Douglas "Doug" Bane, or Douglas "Stoneface" Bane, or Douglas "*insert_nickname_here* Bane.
Maybe, Joseph "Joey" Townsend, or Joseph "Scarface" Townsend, or Joseph "*insert_nickname_here* Townsend.
*insert_nickname_here* would be a way that the player could choose what nickname to use, like in Gangsters 2.
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Sounds like a good game man, I hope this one gets released.
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It had better be. The anticipation is killing me.
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Vaggio "@@PLAYERNAME@@" McGiever
Maricconi "@@PLAYERNAME" Muska
Tony "@@PLAYERNAME@@" Yansana
Marcus "@@PLAYERNAME@@" Conner
Just a few ideas, kinda thought of the first thing that came to mind, scratched that, then came up with the second Razz.
Which makes the names much more unique than "Jefferey Smith".
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Nah. Voodoo is a must have. Houngan mafia Smile
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Ok guys we have chosen 2 out of the selection offered to us and these are:
Marcus "@@PLAYERNAME@@" Conner
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Joseph "*insert_nickname_here* Townsend.
We still need 3 more to add to a poll.... come on guys! more Ideas!
Also... I will ask again, is anyone else intereseted in becoming part of the team?
if so... tell us...
and is anyone handy with Adobe PS? if they are would you be interested in making a logo for us?
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Sounds like a great game Wink .
An option for names would be let the player choose it(i.e type it in) Very Happy .
What do you need for the team(i.e Gfx artist, programer) B)
Will there be something to colect that you need to all of to beat the game? :huh:
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Ok... for the team?
outline your skills in both and show examples of your work... WE ARE IN DESPERATE NEED OF SOME QUALITY GRAPHIC ARTISTS TO MAKE CHARACTERS/NPC's IN THE GAME!!! PLEASE!! SEND SOME OF YOUR WORK TO [email:c2463]hatethesite@hotmail.com[/email:c2463] or [email:c2463]michaelharwood@lineone.net[/email:c2463]
The game?
no you dont collect any main thing, there are 30+ Missions, that you select when you go to a certain part of the Greaton Town. when you go there, the mission will commence and you will be transported off to london to do the Job.
the end of the game is when you complete all the missions, but its kinda never ending because you can stay in Greaton and sell and buy drugs to diffrent gangs, buy Weapons, use them in the Greaton Mob's Shooting club, or alternativly go to a "Hostile" area and kill some yardies,Triads,Wolfsangels or Toxic Knights.
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Or you could have the gangster as an immigrant:
Ahmed *insert_name_here* Omar
Slobodan *insert_name_here* Ibrahimovic
Chiang *insert_name_here* Liu
Pervez *insert_name_here* Singh
Muhammad *insert_name_here* Abdullah
Christiano *insert_name_here* da Silva
Salvador *insert_name_here* García Ramírez
Hehe.
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Out of that little selection I chose:
Chiang *insert_name_here* Liu
!!!Gfx artist required to make a 2 Tiled Character!!!
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now i'm realy exited, Ive never seen a game with 2 tiled charicters. :rolleyes:
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Dont be cheeky! Laughing
Heres the money values list:
Money is set to real-world values, so say it would cost about 5Gp for a Fast Food meal, or 1Gp for a toothbrush, 500 Gp for a pistol, 2000 Gp for C4... E.t.c. Read on:-
Hand weapon - 10
Gun - 500
Rifle/Big Gun - 800 - 1000
Projectile (Grenades, Tear Gas) - 350 - 400
Rocket Launcher - 4000
Rockets (5) - 1000
Plastic Explosives - 3000
P.E. Detonation Device - 900
Meal (Fastfood) - 5
Meal (Microwave) - 7
Meal (Restuarant) - 30 (meal for 1)
Night with Hooker - 600 - 2000
Car - anything between 800 - 18,000
Flat - 12,000 - 30,000
House (2-bed) - 72,000
House (3-bed) - 175,000
House (5 -Bed) - 220,000
House (designer) - 300,000
House (Statley home) - 500,000 (only 2 in game, you can own both.... if you get the money!)
House (Manor) - 850,000
House (Mansion) - 2,000,000
Book - 7-10
Pen - 2
Pencil - 1
Vodka - 15
Whiskey (Cheap)- 7
Whiskey (Normal) - 10
Whiskey(Pure 100% Quality) - 35
Rum - 10
Pint of Lager - 3
Pint of Bitter - 4
Vodka-Martini - 6
Magazine - 5
Map - 7
Lotto Ticket - 1
Weed - 25
Heroin - 300 (Yardies)
Heroin - 700 (Toxic K)
Heroin - 500 (WolfsAngels)
Cocaine - 200 (Yardies)
Cocaine - 600 (Toxic K)
Cocaine - 800 (Greaton Mob)
Opium - 750 (only from triads, sell for LOADS to other gangs, something like 1000 -1500
Flesh Mag - 6
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I take it you will be using pounds?
I have never drawn a sprite before, but if you would like me to do any other tiles then I could send you one of my tilesets if you like.
Quoaz, Dark Age 2 uses 2 tiled charachters.
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Well, as its set near london, I dont think it will be Yen, will it? lol Laughing ooooh the cheekyness!!!
yeh, Haraldur, I think Qoauz was being sarcastic.... :angry: Me no like Razz
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I was just wondering why you were talking about the generic "Gp."
I do not see why you should worry about him being sarcastic, you being English, the same nationality as half of me is.
Do you want me to send yyou a tileset? My corrugated iron tiles are quite good.
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Hmmm. Triads propably have loads of opium as those damn mandarins traded with English nearly whole XIX century (opium wars etc).
No hallucination fungi? Whoa.
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Are those hallucination fungi you talk about, Cesque, Magic Mushrooms? Taste good fried!
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He, he he. Yeah. Smile
They can be bought all along the road leading from Koszalin to Zloceniec in Poland Smile People from these regions live from them.
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Haraludur, yes Send us some of yout work and we will see about it!
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In that case why are there not hippies storming to Poland? Or are the hippies storming to Poland?
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lol.... knowing the hippies, they probably are.
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Ok, I am sending my tileset for the game I am furthest in terms of progress, some of the tiles are meant to be isometric however, because I am going to be making the game in tk3 eventually.
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Meanwhile, check oput my site, Branch Off Yggdrasil, from my signature. The projects section has four screenshots using my tiles.
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Hippies? Not much. But the pacifistic-vegetarian-parabuddist ideaology plague is crawling on our roads.
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They must like eating mushrooms and then see them dance in front of their eyes.
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You've seen film with Sherlock Holmes, "Pyramid of Fear"? It was all about hallucinations there, with EXCELLENT effects and storyline.
My favourite part was when stained glass knight attacked a monk Wink
Mushrooms? Dancing? Whoa, from what I've heard, after mushrooms this looks regularily... You can end up chased by a band of flying old ladies with rocket launchers shooting streams of helium dioxide.
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I have never seen "Pyramid of Fear."
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Ok guys just to Update you on a cool feature, Kris is currently here with me and he is in Progress of making an MP3 Player, (in-game price = 200 - 300p)
there will be 3 Diffrent Mp3 Players in the game, as listed:-
Classical
Pop
Rock
each will have a couple of artists 'Albums on.
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Cool! Sounds, well, realistic.
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Sounds good! And hopefully the albums you choose will too.
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Well Tell me what sort of stuff you want on there and I will put on it.
I know you like the Red Hot Chili's?
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Classical? I hate classical music, neo-classical is better, or perhaps romantic (XIX century)... Sorceror's Apprentice and In Mountain King's Grotto rock!
Pop? Erm... Elvis...?
Rock? System of a Down! Metallica! What? Metallica is not rock? Damn.
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You must have found out that I like the Red Hot Chili Peppers from the Gamestudio43 message board...
Anyway:ok, lets have the greatest hits album by the Red Hot Chili Peppers, maybe some Metallica, maybe some Nirvana, Seargent Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club Band by the Beatles, Breakfast in America by Supertramp, maybe some Queen. That is all I can think of at the moment. I would say some by Quarashi, but you would not have heard of them.
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Oh yeah! and System of a Down!
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Hehehe. Best song ever, "F*** the System" Wink [unreleased]
"War! F*** the system! War! F*** the System! F*** the System!"
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Never heard it, probably unfortunately.
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I have, thanks to kaazaa Very Happy
Mwahahaha piracy should be legal.
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It practically is legal! Laughing
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Come on dudes give me a couple of other names ideas for the main character.
**Update**
(there is an Ability to Mug People on the Streets)
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More names:
John *insert_name_here* Tyler
Edwin *insert_name_here* Steele
Mark *insert_name_here* Alexander
David *insert_name_here* Manson
Toby *insert_name_here* Mitchell
All I can think of at the moment.
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Hehehe. It's hate after all.
Names? Hehehe:
Antony "Armed" Alabaster
Bill "Bastard" Bonetti
Chang "Chop-head" Choel
Darren "Drugged" Deyele
Ermack "Enraged" Eredict
Fandy "Fag" Fermon
Garret "Guitarre" Gunnarson
Han "Hillarious" Hendrix
Ischaak "Invisible" Israel
Jenny "Jade" Johnson
Karl "Killer" Kazute
Lanson "Laboratory" Little
Marcus "Maniac" Molly
Narel "Nirvana" Nishobi
Olaf "Octopus" Ox
Phil "Phobos" Phat
Quayle "Quiz" Quon
Ralph "Roller-Coaster" Runner
Shang "Shadow" Sarry
Tsing "Technist" Tao
Uriel "Urn-Collector" Utah
Vladimir Varkowsky
Will "Worm" Willson
Xorlak "Xiutlecutle" Ximao
Yuri "Yay" Yeti
Zidwa-Zubwa "Zen" Zamitakao
Hilly Billy
Okie Dokie
Humty Dumty
These are all I can think off now.
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I think you might be a little late
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Yes, Unfortunatly Cesque, you are too late. the Poll has already begun. you can however vote for your favourite on the poll. and who knows, maybe when I need names for Gang members/Bosses then some of yours will come into play.
**Update**
Under the "Rock" Catagory, there is so far:
Red Hot Chili Peppers - Greatest Hits
Ozzy Osbourne - HATE Compilation
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Cool!
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Glad to hear you like it so far Laughing
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/\ That was me by the way...
We will hopefully be releasing a demo on Thursday!
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Thursday! That is very fast!
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its not going to be anything special, Just a couple of Boards with a fight on it, some items, the Mp3 Player, E.t.c.
so its more like a preview really.
(plus, besides the features, the terrain in the actual demo wont be in the final game, so that makes the Demos Collector peices as well!)
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Hehe.
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"I'm late! I'm late!" - the Rabbit from Alice in the Wonderland (love this book, the first, untainted by Disneys and uncensored version, where mathematics mix with reality and where caterpillar smokes opium!)
Hehehe. I love demo collecting Wink Hehehe.
Boss names? Hehehe.
Toxic Knights - Tony Whahaka
Wolf Angels - Alfred Zerstorer
Yardies - Antonio de la Lobo
Triads - Shang Lee
Greaton Mob - Sonny Marcepano
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I like Alice in Wonderland too, but I think Alice and Her Adventures Through the Looking Glass is better.
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Cesque... Those names seem gimmicky to me... am I right? I think I am arnt I...
lol....
any requests for features in the game??? :blink:
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A realistic banking system with overdrafts, loans, etc.. You never see that. You always see a very weird banking system with little resemblance to reality.
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I'm glad you said that, Haraldur.
we are programming a bank right this very moment. it seems to be going well, we are debating on having a Overdraft system, this however we find may be a challange to overcome. but there will definatly be a bank, of sorts.
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Yay!
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Hmmm... Propably some sort of transportation... A car? A motorcycle? Yeah, the second sounds better.
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And trucks and tractors and buses and trains..
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No because Vehicles would look really stupid because when you would turn you would just jolt to the other direction, so we have decided not to have Player Vehicles, although you can still buy them, and get some money out of them.
**UPDATE**
one of the statley homes that you aquire is fully furnished because you kill the owner. selected things inside the home will be able to be taken to the Antiquitys shop and sold for Sh*tLoads of cash. one painting in the home gets you a pretty neat sum of 750,000 pounds. Although there will be around 4 diffrent Antiquitys shops to take them to, and only on of these will give you its full value. other ANtiques shops will give you, 2000-3000 Grand, and one will give you Only 200 quid for it!
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Nice!
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I still think a bandit without a motorcycle is not a real man, really (imagine toxic punks with their metal cavalry)...
Hehe. Cool. First game I see where you can truly, well, HATE! Postal and GTA will both hide before this project, I see...
(no, really, I doubt anything would beat Postal 2 as the most senseless-brutality game, hehe)
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What is Postal?
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Hehehe. 15 january, the release? First time in life I'll get something cool for birthday Very Happy B)
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Happy Birthday then Cesque for the 15th!
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"Ow how how!" - Santa
Well thank you! Happy birthday for 7th march!
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A few days early is OK, so I am fine. However 2 months is not! Hahahahahaha!
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Um... What? :blink:
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Well we are going to make this game as abrupt as we can, from loads of swearing, Racism, Violence, gore(what gore can be accomplished with a 2d RPG)
there will even be a section in the game where you Rape someone.
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Realism is good, however offensive it might be.
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Cool. Just like my every day life... ekhm, I mean, just cool. B)
I hope the graphics will look cool enough to show this all Wink
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Yeah, we want Dark Age 2/ Dustball/ Rudolph's Adventure/ Quintesence quality graphics for this man.
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Cesque. the graphics are being pulled from real terrain for a change so you shall see doors that look pretty much as real as it can gt in a 2d game.
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Last nite I spent 2 hours creating the estate agent program and making sure that it works well.(SO FAR SO GOOD)
n e ways more up dates shall be given to you as they are created.
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P.S we still need the 2 tile characters so if n e 1 could help us with that then big thnx.
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Cool!
Anyway, Cesque does some good sprites.
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Nah, I dunno what style they should be, generally I make good graphics that only fit into my own background...
And all my skills fail before the art which has amazed me - the jumping sheep in my avatar! 20 years of manforce work wouldn't create something so beautiful I got somewhere from the dark spaces of the net.
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Btw what is the estate agent program you talk about? What functions does it perform...?
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An estate agent is someone who helps(?) people buy and sell houses.
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"There are 2 things infinite in the world; the universe and human stupidity... altrough I'm not absolutely sure about the first one." - Einstein
Yeah, I'm stupid, but I get what estate agent is. I ask about his functions in game. Will you buy houses via him? Or does he just show you what to buy, the price or smth? And can you murder him and get all his money to become RICH, RICH, RICH!!!
Or is it just program called "estate agent" which handles variables refering to houses?
Also... one simple question... Will there be 1 town in game, or perhaps some of them, and will there be locations like forests/caves/mountains with some things to do there?
Aaaah, a second one, then, perhaps, as the first one was so simple, yeah... Shall there be law enforment which will hate you for your sins (a little bribe, perhaps?)...?
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I expect there will be law enforcement, otherwise it would not be a gangster game.
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the estate agent prg is so you can buy properties. wen u buy properties youll get either a job or an item or something like that. and in some very rare cases youll even get a cheat code so you can have some fun
Very Happy
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Yes you are very correct Haraldur, there will be law enforcement in the game, maybe when the mugging commences you should have one option each time that would randomize and put the police on yar ass...how about that?
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I did not understand that Mikiol2004.
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Ok so say you are mugging someone, or whatever... well this is how it goes
you would have options
1- Demand Money
2- Ask Nicely
3- Mug
4- Violently Mug **this would secretly attract police attention, and start Battle.**
Get it now?
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Cool. Better than in reality. Muggers crawl behind each corner in Poland and - nah, police ignores all. People got used to it.
Cheat code?! X-cuse me, it sounds idiotic a bit, for me. I get, some cool-ultra-funny bonus like ability to fry people with electric touch or burning them alive with spitting, but cheatz? Nah.
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It was Kris's Idea for the Cheats...
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I see...
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Is there a chance of police detection in all mugging, just higher in violent? I hope so. Realism is good.
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the cheats are mainly for us to test the game out but it also lets you do stuff and gain extra stuff in game that isn't usually available. <_<
a cheat will be randomly given to you when you complete the game and they will mainly be things like advanced weapons and new weapons. plus you will also be able to get some extras like snaps of us makin the game and concept drawings.
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Sounds cool.
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Yes you will eventually get to see the Geeks behind the game!
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What see you?
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Hehehe. In my game... I return to this manner os saying... I will be like a God, I will be everywhere, a piece of creator within all living things... There will be several characters which will be a part of me, for example character that shares my fanaticism, other which shares my beliefs, my wrath, etc... This way, they will even stand against each other, while they all will be a part of me.
...sort of...
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Hehe, this is a bit of a spoiler, but in my Yggdrasil series I am the creator, the controller, God, and the hero is a part of me, there are many heroes.
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Yes, in most tk games (DustBall, 4th Dimension) hero plays one of the main roles, heh...
I llllllove spoilerz. B)
In none of my games I ever made I played role of the God... Altrough I've usually put a secret location with me, like in TWoA - don't ask me about this game, it is rather my mind flooding rpgcode rather than game with storyline, heh - there was a city with great statue of Game Designer, blocking a house. After answering some funny questions to the statue you could pass under it's legs to the house, with Game Designer - the "Xanadu". When you gone out, it appeared you were at the moon, and going anywhere you ended up with house having item to return to the city...
In the nameless game I used to talk about, I'll propably have to do something more about gods, as they are virtually pawns of the main players: Archon, Char and the System itself.
Hero? Sure, he's your clone after all in one of the games...
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In every game I have planned there is a parallel universe where the equivelant me is the hero. It is probably due to my enourmous ego.
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lol.... yep Laughing
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Thankyou for that, who ever you are. You are supposed to say that my ego is just fine, or that I am modest, not agree with me!
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Yes... you retard. Laughing
**UPDATE**
The first shop is being designed now and is coming along great
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That is good news.
Who is the retard?
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The guest guy...
I think it was KRis.... so I can call him a retard if I want
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Why is he agreeing with me?
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Down Syndrome.
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Seriously?
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no.....lol Laughing Very Happy Laughing
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Heheheehheheeheheheheheheehheheeeheheheeeheheeheeeeheeeeheeheheheheeheheheeeehhehe! Laughing Evil chuckle.
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O-kekekeke. Bwah hah hah, bwah hah hah.
lol, rotfl, lol
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lollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollol!
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What are you laughing at, living billboard of Inner Res?
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**Giggles like a 6yr old schoolgirl** that one was quite funny, I have to admit.
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:blink:
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Inner Res=best online comic ever.
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Agreed. B)
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Againl, someone agrees with me. Defective kid makes good!
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Wha? Wha defective kid? Good?
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Me=defective kid.
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Sure. So you're DEFECTIVE.
Well I have, as I mentioned, Turrete's syndrome, spine problems, head problems, heart rythm problems, permanent hay fever, my sight absolutely sucks, I'm almost deaf at range and I bear the curse of the pharaohs.
I am ugly, stupid, physicaly and psychicaly weak, seeing no future in this world I absolutely hate. I change my religion about 2-3 times a week, I am absolutely lazy and still instead of doing my damn homework I sit here and chat with some guys whose existence I can't even prove in this ocean of data known as internet.
I see absolutely no purpose why the God should create me, I can't even see purpose why He (I count this as divine intervention) rescued me from 2 almost-suicide trials, I am just the side-effect sh*** of the world that should not have the right to exist but due to unknown fate ruling the System came into it's utterly flawed existence.
So I'm defective around here!
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I did not say you were not defective, me being defective has no effect on how defective you are.
By the way, you cannot prove my existence. We at the CIA have been watching you for some time now. You are not a threat. We just want to avoid trouble. You are under house arrest by order of President Bush of the American Empire, which you and your radical thoughts have been threatening. You have no chance of escape. We have been tracking your ip address. We will be transfering you to a detention camp either in Siberia or Cuba, depeding on your behaviour. At this place you will do hard labour and will grow to love our President. You are to have your bags packed by next monday, or we will shoot your entire family. Enjoy your new life in the service of our noble leader.
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Ha! Got you! We KGB always watched you movements, american forces! Now we have full evidence on your threatining plans of resolcialisation! All the informations will come out into the public light, changed in several points for more dramatism, and become part of the nationalistic propaganda of the east!
As for you, comrade... Pack your things. Tommorow you'll get to go all alone on bare feet through the snows to your gulag in Bzum Dzum in North Korea. If not, we'll destroy Washington using the nuclear submarines hiding in pods surrounding Cuba. Now, you won't just sit and watch as your country is destroyed, will you, yankee?
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Washington means nothing to me, and I am not a yankee.
This is all what you are led to believe by our sophisitcated propagandamachine! You will see that the defiance of France, Germany and Russia on the Iraq issue was staged by us, to stop people suspecting our dominion! You have until monday, and it is northern Siberia. Enjoy eating snow in your new life for our divine leader!
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Okay, then, I'll let mr Kim'Dzon'Kill know we'll also need to fire at New York, San Francisco, Boston, Philadelphia and Las Vegas. And... just in case... At Berlin, Paris and Moscow (damn capitalists).
To battle! Bring on the ICBM launch units! Red khmers forever!
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Ok lads the "Preview Taster" will be released 2moro. (dont get excited, it really isnt anything to get creamy about)
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I hope it is good, nonetheless, for what it is.
Nah, blow them all away. Our divine leader Bush lives in asia, so the terrorists will not get him. Meanwhile, you are under house arrest, keep still!
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Pay less attention to Demiurge and his Archons, fallen lamb! The light of Sophia through Logos will englight the minds of all those who seek to achieve the Gnosis!
Eeee... I mean... nah. You may be right. But we won the war anyway.
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I knew Sophia was up to no good...
Joke.
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Not THIS Sophia, heh...
http://www.gnosis.org (http://http://www.gnosis.org)
Ride the cathehism Wink
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Scary...
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Scary?
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All that writing=scary.
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Why?
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I could not be bothered to read through it all, therefore, scary.
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The demo 1 has been released! Head on over to the Site to pick it up!
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Cool. I'll begin downloading right now!
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Hmmm. I've downloaded it, and... I must say I'm a bit dissappointed. For several reasons...
1. It says character file is not a valid file. It can't be opened with tk, either. I had to make a new character with ultra statistics (the base 100 HP amount burned out quite fast) and save it as a character file.
2. Tiles are good, even very good. They match the dark atmosphere and overally are good.
3. I have nothing against huge amount of swearing, but generally game lacks basic grammatics like space after dot, etc. That's not a too big case, though...
4. First mission - yeah, I'll say it outright - SUCKS. It's like russian roulette. Cameras lack real optical logic in places they shine over (I oepened board with tk to pass it). You take step and perhaps you'll survive (not get caught, I mean), or perhaps not.
5. Second mission is just a single battle so I can't say much about it.
6. Missions - I know it's demo - lack logic. You have to find a character, okay. But he should at least owe you money or maybe have information rather than telling about full version of game Smile Yeah, I know it's just a demo.
I guess that's all. I hate refering to other things, but for example demo of Dark Age and even my own game (in progress) offers some variety and allows you to search for secrets even through it's not that big...
A short example, in my game a typical character you meet on street has real personality if you talk to him. He doesn't say "welcome to village of XXX" all over again. He'll begin cursing the taxes, telling you about things that have absolutely nothing to offer and mourn over his lost years. He will not be a program - he will be a real man, with his problems and things important for him. He will not know about demons invading, but he will know about his horse being stubborn and his wife being choleric. (just an example, characters usually have other problems).
A common met thug will tell you a history about how he tried to rob the bishop of necklake he wanted as a gift for a girl, a dwarf will lie drunk mumbling about the wine, a historian will tell you about places in the world, a barman will curse the economy and gnostics, etc...
The same thing for Dark Age demo. There is, for example, a guy who admires general and wants his autograph, or old guy hating the wine and food in a tavern. It has nothing with the real story - but it's fun to hear.
And, in my game, it's always worth to build up experience because not only it can raise brute strength, but also things like speech or lockpicks, allowing you to enter places you previously couldn't and learn new things...
Whoa. That's long enough. I guess you get what I mean Wink
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I am about to download it... with waht Cesque said in mind, but I still hope that the other features are good.
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Ehem... What other features? Did I miss something? B)
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The features you did not say were bad, graphics etc.
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Damn! Mikeol2004, will you please get the charachter to work?
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Sorry lads i told wasnt gonna be that good. it will get better however. Yes i know the demos crap but it was Kris idea to have such a shite demo anyawa. but, we do desperatly need a charctter designer to make cahracters better.
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If you like this style of characters...
http://www.freewebs.com/cesque/parada.gif (http://http://www.freewebs.com/cesque/parada.gif)
I can make some.
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Why could the charachter not move?
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Mine? Because it's not an animated gif Smile
And, as for msot of them, I have not yet done animations, just static front shots.
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I meant on the demo...
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You already know it's because of Kris so blame him. Laughing
- The idea of cheats in game sucks!
- It's Kris' fault!
- The demo is not best!
- It's Kris' fault!
- Someone killed all dinosaurs!
- It's Kris' fault!
- Goerge Bush is elected president!
- It's Kris' fault!
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Kris must have hacked into the counters on the 2000 election to fool the USA electoral college.
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lol Laughing
damn straight
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Kris has destroyed a once respected country...
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Respected? You Yankiees have gone rich with your slavery, same as Britain got rich from putting Arabs to work for almost free, during XIX century! Your democracy is stained with blood and put into chains! I'll never respect something like that, sorry...
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It was once respected, by the French who did not like the English at the time of the revolution. France do not like them now though...
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this game sounds well good cant w8 till its released
this kris sounds like a trouble maker 2 me
P.S the demo is s**t
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thanks for all uve sed i no the demo is pantz
but there are some new features being added into the game but youll have to head over to theWebpage (http://http://www.freewebs.com/hatethesite) to have a look. all i can tell you is that you will get a bit moody at points!!!
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What new features? No new news, and I bet there was same thing in "features" site... Anyway, sounds good, with the toothbrashes and maps...
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there is now... go to the site..
but its here as well:-
Hello! sorry for the lack of updates, but the team has been bogged heavily down in work with the game, and various other things. we have some more, and exciting stuff to tell you however, but first let me, and the team officially apologize for the poor quality Demo. however it could have been made better, but thats over and done with now... so onto the new features:-
Just to run the new features by you,
there will be mood settings for your character to judge the way you act, there will be a WANTED LEVEL! (this is something we are really proud of) There will be intelligence for your character, that when intelligence is better, you go on more dangerous missions. there will be a custom menu system, there will be actual pound values in the game, there will be a new bank, there will be training, there will also be stealth missions. (really good ones, not just cameras)
What do you say to that then?
Posted by Mike 30/1/2004 16:58pm GMT
Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Hmm... Cool. Wanted level... Nice!
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Nice, nice, nice. Yeah 3xnice. That is about right.
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Hey guys glad you like the new features!
I have 3 of them definatly workin.
Bank Prg
Training
Mood
im sure that i can make the other 3 prgs work. and i no that the the custom menu will work!!
ill keep u updated on new features and how their cummin along!!
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Thankyou. We, or at least I, like to know about other people's games.
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Yeah... Me too. I was training hard trying to get as much knowledge as I could about DA2 before it have seen daylight (Xorlak's worst nightmare - my "DA2 questions")... And I must say I like to know... more!
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More, more, and still not satisfied...
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u want to know MORE?????
well there is one definate new feature!!!
TAXI's
these allow you to travel to every town instead of walking from 1 side of the game to the other!!!
Also i thought of a new one wen i was walking home today!!!
A calculater in case you need to add things up!!!
ill keep ya posted
PS oh and tell me wat u fink of the calculator
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Calculator? Hehe, cool. Through I doubt it will be very useful... It's a good idea, anyway.
Taxis? Hehe, plagerism... My game already uses taxis, through they are coach wagons... Some are one way, some two way. They usually exist only for travel within one location, while trans-locational transport is provided by trains. There are also ships, a zeppelin, and even a submarine... Most likely.
I'll also have to think out how to, hmm, "enforce" use of public transport over walking by feet into places... Especially for on-map travel. Huge stamina losses? Lots of random encounters? Dunno.
Hmm, the whole concept of transportation on map remains mystery to me.
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Calculator=very nice gimic=it will catch people's attention=very important for feed back on game and for people to find out about game=good.
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Yeh guys Im not too Sure about the calculator myself, but... if it keeps old kris quite, Im sure that you guys wudnt mind it being in there.
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Did I say it was bad? I think not!
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Yeah, right... Me either...
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Indeed. By the way: we want more information!
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Right! About what profits you'll get for working for one gang rather then another, will there be linnear story (think GTA) and will there be a ultimate ending, or perhaps different variances, like ability to lead each gang to victory over the other?
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Yes, indeed. And can you be a vigilante if you want to?
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Yes.
Hopefully, there will be a multi-branching storyline, that will lead to diffrent endings, some bad, some good.
once you complete the game, you will be able to roam Greaton, and just do various things, Like living out your life.
Well, about the vigilante, it is basically what you are, but you just go behind other gangs backs and do missions for the other gangs to just get cash.
but the greaton Mob, stays neutral to you throughout most of the game.
Laughing
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Hehehe. Cool. Especially if those missions include raids on police stations...
Can you do other funny things, like in GTA, for example working as a taxi driver (once you "get rid" of the original taxi driver)?
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heh, that would be cool Laughing , but hard to program
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Yeah... Though there won't be steerable vehicles in HATE... So I doubt this would come to be.
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If it did, and there were steerable vehicles, it would be very cool.
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Well this steerable vehicles thing is always something me and Kris have tryed to avoid, but this is definatly something that we may look into. having tiles able to turn 360 Degrees, although this would involve manipuating the source code, and since tk2 is not available commerically anymore, unless permission from CBM is given, then we will not be able to do this
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Well, if it was on TK3 you could have it as a giant sprite, and put it together so it would move like a normal sprite.
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Cesque, would you like to make a sprite for us to manipulate for our characthers in game.?
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Sprite ot what? How big? Who asks? Ghost of Hamlet? Or the same force who just stole 2 cellular phones of my mother in a border hotel (damn, we'll have to pay abonament for 2 years, most likely, from a phone we don't have)?
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one of your character sprites.
your characters are the closest thing to HATEs Dreams.
if you want, you can Officially join the team.
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/\ That was me by the way, both Guest times.
I forget to sign in when im in a hurry, and it doesnt do it auto on my PC.
gunna say it again so you dont miss it:
one of your character sprites.
your characters are the closest thing to HATEs Dreams.
if you want, you can Officially join the team.
Please Cesque!!! HEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
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You mean my style of characters? Well... Sure. You need a base character to work on, or a specific types of character? (mafioso / punk / skinhead etc)
[heh, just letting you know I have not yet tried drawing a woman with the current character design concept]
[also, I would anyway like more to put up some slightly different sprite conception for HATE project, I don't mean worse, just somehow different and maybe more fitting game environment - my sprites were mostly designed for my game and I would prefer to keep them unique to it, heh...]
I don't think it's enough for me to join team, but you can give me some credit Very Happy
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so what you saying, you gonna do one for us or what?
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Hmm, I'll see what can I do and send you the graphics when I'll finish them.
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dude, please get those characters done ...please...lol we are deperate.
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Hmm, I already sent you complete animation of one guy. Aaah, forgot to ask... do you need battle animations or something? And, any comments, questions, flames? What more to do? Some other character type? Whatever it might be, post.
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Hello again,
here is a screenshot of the final menu system, apart from the profile:
(http://http://server6.uploadit.org/files/OzzyOsbourne-Menu233.JPG)
Feedback please!
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looks good, but in my personal opinion I think the picture of the guy is very annoying
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yes, we said that it is not the final screenshot picture of the guy, what would you think would look better?
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As for me, it looks just cool.
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As I said on TKZ: Cool.
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Cesque, thank you soooooooooooooooooo much for the Character, it rocks!
we have a mammoth task for you now:
(do it as and when you want to)
we need:
a Black guy
a Asian Guy
a Skinhead
a Punk
a business man
a few random pedestrians (females, as well.)
a female
thats it for the moment, thanks for your super work... as I said, please take your own time to do these... theres no rush... we have a year to complete.
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Year? Always time barriers, huh...
Alll right.
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1 whole year eh? I guess that's fine My game took from March to Agusust. So Good Luck on your game!
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My game already took half of year and I haven't even finished 1 complete location B)
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I am currently designing more of the map as we speak.
+New Info+
The Law-Abiding Threats you will come across are:
Police
Swat
SAS
Army
MI5
and, HATEs Very own: FAOC. (Federation Against Organized Crime.)
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Are you sure there is SWAT in the UK? I thought It was just American.
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And isn't it MI6? Not MI5...or is there more than one?
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MI6 is mostly James Bond etc..
MI5 is mostly defence, bugging, spying etc..
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Yes, this is why we chose MI5
and yes, the SWAT do exist in UK to some extent, maybe I should change that to
AP
(Armoured Police)
... B)
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Yeah.
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FAOC? Federation Under Circumstantionless Killing has much nicer abbrevation Wink
Mi-something? Dunno what that's. I know Mi-8 is a type of helicopter.
I wanted to use "sort of" law enforcement in Song of Azrael and it was different for different areas (but that was game set in XXII century)...
Militia (India & Persia)
Fanatics (Persia)
Cops (US & Bohemia)
SWAT (US)
Army (US, India, Persia & Bohemia)
Marines (US)
Paladins (Behomia)
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Hehe. Cesque, do you want to join the FARC or the ELN?
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here is a nice screenshot for you
(http://http://server5.uploadit.org/files/OzzyOsbourne-screen2.JPG)
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Fine except that the roof tiles are a problem: you can see where one begins and the other ends.
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nice pic man! That garage door is especially real looking.
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FARC? ELN?
Yeah... Excellent graphics... I love the garage. And the roof tiles should really stick to eachother in my opinion - it's the famous "gridding effect" right?
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yet another board is virtually completed,
there should hopefully be another taster out soon, I dont know if there will be battles in it though, just maybe a litle view of the Map of Greaton we have completed so Far.
The taster will be to mainly test the menu system.
This week we are cracking down on the game and hope to have 15% of the boards done.
If you commit petty crimes, you go to the local jail to spend a night,
if you get busted doing big jobs then its onto Court, then the Jury will find you either Guilty or Not Guilty, then you will go to prison, obviously depending on the crime you have commited, and you will have to conduct a little Escape if you get life obviously, other wise thats the whole of your Criminal Empire down the drain..
Just like real life.... :rolleyes:
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kool man!!
and you should try to lose the gridded effect on the roofs, but that garadge door!! it looks real!!
did you take a picture and put it into tiles?!?
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@ DarkEite - Yes, I have explained that the tiles will be recitfyed in the later versions. there will be more roofs than that one as well, this is just an, undercoat if you will.
@Garagedoor - that would be giving the trade secret away.
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Hello!
+New Info
We will hopefully have a HUD!!!
and... in the game you can get labouring jobs to make a few extra cash!!
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Cool. Very cool. Can't wait till your game is done! Good Luck Very Happy !
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Today is a sad day in HATEs production...
we did not back up, we were just about to... but we started the main PC that we were working off of, and ... the pc is screwed... It wont load up... Its mashed...
so, there is a high chance that HATE will be no more.
I regret not havin backed on to disc earlier, but its done now, so... we may have lost HATE and everything with it...
If we cannot get it back, we did have a future title we were going to work on, so we will go onto that...
take it like this, there is more than a 50% chance, more like 75% chance that HATE is gone forever ...
GOD DAMN IT!!! F**K SAKE!
ahem... well, I guess I wont be online on MSN for a while, maybe even forever.
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well that sucks
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Find someone who knows about PC's, they will fix your computer, and everything will be back to normal, believe me.
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Excellent. Am I really cursed or what? Anything I touch get's screwed up (I'm going player graphics for HATE). DAMN! That's one bad idea.
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Yeah I will try fix it...
but in any case, you still have a job Cesque....
we have decided to scrap the idea of horror game, and we thought that it would be good to have a memorial for hate.... it will be set before the events of hate, making it prequel to HATE. you will still be Haraldurs name: "David Manson" and you will be stuck in a prison and you have to find ways out of the prison and it takes time to escape and stuff.
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I am sorry for you Mike.
Woah. De ja vu! Earlier this week my main XP installation stopped working, and we have tried to recover stuff. Today, I started my computer and it said:
Pri slave Hard Disk S.M.A.R.T. Status BAD, Backup and Replace.
It had on it all my website information, my favourites, some bitmaps for my game and my XP installaton. ^^%%^*&£"!
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Okay, I'll have time to do some more sprites if you need anyh for the new game, Mikeol... As the misfortunes wander in pairs - as we in Poland say - and my game got the damn #wait bug again no matter what I try to do - reinstalling whole tk, making new game, installing sound patch and copying files won't help.
I'll wait until tk3 get's into final "official" stage, wait for some guy to get rid of all the bug using the fact tk3 is open-source, and continue progress on brave new world of tk3 where 90% of my game won't fit anyway.
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Yes.
My fellow TKers it is official... HATE is gone forever.
Yeah, Cesque... we need you to make loads of Random people in blue prison overalls for us please... if you could thanks... that would start the new game nicely!
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Hmm, you can use your old Hate character models I sent you Laughing But I can make some more.
Blue prison?
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He means that the overalls are blue, not the prison.
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Thnx 4 all your support guys. 3 months work down the pan!
If you want to me and mike will reveal some of the missions that were gonna be included in the game and every single feature that was going to be included in it.
GOD DAMN THIS SUKZ :angry:
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It does indeed. Especially for the fact it was promising, and took 3 months. I feel for you.
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Sure, reveal. There's not real point of keeping this secret now. Eeeeh. <_< I know the feeling.
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yeah but the oly problem with revealing our stuff is some one might decide to copy our ideas.
and me and mike are going to destroy our hate note books to stop people from copyng!!
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You could try remaking it from scratch if you are fanatical enough to contemplate it.
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Yeah ive tried convincing mike to do it but he wont so im considering doing it alone. but i dont think it would be as good as the origional hate!
Do you think i shood?
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If it won't be that good, then - no. It's not fun making same game again, you simply hurry and the overall look is far worse. It's better to start a new game from scratch, which will be better than abandoned project.
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yeah thats a good point cesque. god life sukz
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Sad *sniff* All that work down the drain. I to have had along times work all get fushed down the toilet! *starts crying* Why chouldn't have been my game! I wanted to restart it! WHY!? WHY!? *falls to the ground* mommy...mommy.....
(Okay I'm back! Sorry about that little dramic scean I had. Your just going to have to get used to that)
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Ok.
Kris has convinced me that we should re-do HATE.
and thats what we are going to do.
we are going to try and get to the stage we were at before we lost it, in 2 days. 2 days of Three months work to do... So we better get cracking.
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Good luck. You are going to need it.
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Good Luck! I hope this time when I say good luck I won't brake your computer. Because last time I said good luck to you it did! It's all my fault! Sad
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thank you guys.
look at our personal forum there is some news on preordering....
thats Mikris Studios on Mystic Software, not our site..
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Okay. Well I wish you good luck on re-makeing your game! You have the power! YOU HAVE THE POWER! Laughing
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Hmmm, so are you making 1 or 2 games at time?
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only the one.
then if hate is a success then we will probably make a prequal or a sequal.
we have good hopes for this game but then again there is only a few people who are interested in it. I dont think it will be as successful as DA
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The reason not very many people are interested is because not very many people know about it. This could come to your advantage, if your first demo is good, because people would not be expecting it.
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good point man we need it promoted really bad tho
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A good demo does the work of 20 promotions, if it is good. I might be wrong, but I think that Dustball was a surprise demo...
Anyone who knows otherwise please correct me.
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well the first demo we are gonna bring out is a tester with 1 or 2 missions in and mainly to test the menu and mp3 player
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If it is impressive, and well advertised when released, it willmmake people take notice.
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spose yeah
it wants to be noticed especially the amount of time we are gonna spend on it
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Indeed.
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Hmm. Good. Then, if I'll get some free time I'll get back to my sprites.
I need to re-send them all to you, right, Kris?
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no, you dont need to, its ok... because our address is a hotmail account, we can download it directly from the attachment you sent in the mail... they are not lost, have no fear.
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well production officially starts again 2moz
doing the boardsand on thurs im redoing the menu system with a couple of changes
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Cool, cool. Very cool. HATE sounds like it's gona be a good game. The demo wasn't really that good...Wait I guess it was okay because it was funny how the dude on the phone keep on calling you a lazy twat and stuff Laughing . It kinda remimed me of GTA.
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thnx dude man thats the only positive remark we had bout the demo.
but i would like to remind you it was only a testermainly to make sure that the cam prg worked. oh and to show you the difficulty the game can and most probably will reach. Laughing Razz
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I never manged to get the demo to work. The charachtat would not move.
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Same here. But what I did was I just put it into TK Editor and fixed the problom. Very Happy I'm so smrt S-M-R-T! Laughing
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MIKES COMP HAS FUKED UP AGAIN SO YET MORE DELAYS.
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Cool. Propably you should make a backup copy everyday...
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Its ok now I got it working again, is anyones MSN buggered up?
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COULD HATE BE ON THE VERGE OF GOIN DOWN THE PAN????
:angry:
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stop with the caps please.
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yeah sorry man
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No problem B)
Why don't you guys backup all your game files on your website? I don't mean any big files such as MP3's, I'm just talking about tilesets, board files, character templates, etc. That way, even if your comp does crash, you'll always have the backup on your website. It'd be well worth the extra time and effort.
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no i got a r/w so we are gonna put all the files onto that instead but cheerz for the sugestion Very Happy
y cant we use full caps??
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Full caps for no good reason are annoying, as are multiple question and exclamation marks, and replacing words for letter i.e. r for are and u for you. It is annoying. Especially the letters for words, they make it difficult to read.
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Because in the Forum world its often considered as shouting.
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oh ,ok
any ways im working on the HUD (heads up display) at the moment and i cant seem to get it working! :angry:
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Hmmm the topic is slowing down a tad now
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yep just a bit Sad
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There is nothing to talk about.
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I got something to talk about!
I sold my kids for cheese![/color]
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Whoa. Cheese. Jeeze. You must be poor. Like a... gypsy, gypsy! I'm mad ain't I?
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I like cheese.
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I hate cheese....it just tastes funny, too strong, and it rots to easily...
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How could you hate cheese!?!? I love cheese! Cheese is the best!
CheeseCheeseCheeseCheeseCheeseCheeseCheeseCheeseCheeseCheeseCheeseCheeseCheeseCheeseCheeseCheeseCheeseCheeseCheeseCheeseCheeseCheeseCheeseCheeseCheeseCheeseCheeseCheeseCheeseCheeseCheeseCheeseCheeseCheeseCheeseCheeseCheeseCheeseCheese
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Indeed.
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Wow. This topic changed from the game HATE to the food CHEESE And it's all thanx to me!!! Wahahahahahaha!!!!
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cheese sux! now let's begin about Hate
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Yes HATE. Am I the only one who has played the DEMO?
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I played it. It sucks. But I've seen the new screenshots, they're excellent. Except the game went down the drain with the puter format, I've heard, oh well. Now they're ressurecting it.
I even do graphics for this game but currently I'm a bit too lazy. I'll have to do some more one day.
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Yeah the demo wasn't to good. But it was funny how the dude on the phone was always calling you a lazy twat and lazy (Editor: Censored)er and stuff like that...hehehehehe....
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I could never get the demo to work...
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Load it into your Toolkit then fix the problom that's what I did. But it's not really worth playing unless you want to be called some funny insults. Laughing Razz
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Meh, they are probably normla insults here in the UK.
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Some very sad news boys and girls Sad
*wipes tear*
Hate is no more (and will never be)
but dont cry i personally is using most of the ideas to create a game of my own along the basis of hate so youll be able to get a feel of the game!
Sorry Sad
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You and Mike are now confusing me greatly.
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That's just great...Looks like everyone life is geting messed up now....*sigh*
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Sorry guys but we have got our GCSE's cummin up and alot on our plate + mikes pc s still up sh*t creek which is pssin me off very much. so im doin a similar game as i sed b4.
sorry again but maybe in the future we will bring a better game out wen ive learnt alot more than wot i no now!!!
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Well. Let's hope everything will turn out for the best....
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Yeah, I have GCSEs starting on the 18th of May. It sucks.
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Hmm. Bad news.
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Surprised Things are going to get worse!!!!
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wot makes u say that things are going to get worse??
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I can feal it in my blood....I can tell.....Or maybe they will get better....Ether one of those....I'm a bit pysic okay. Honestly I am, I'm not jokeing...Not to good however...