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Miscellaneous => Archives => General Discussion => Topic started by: Spyder on February 15, 2004, 06:43:04 AM
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With the recent death of rpgtoolkit.com, and the Bx4 forums barely on the horizon, I'll probably start spending a bit more time here in the near future. I've even made these forums my Home Page in IE (used to be rpgtoolkit.com). As such, I may start adding some resources to the site as well. Apparently we still arn't even recognized as a resource site on TKZ, though one of our departments is. It's odd how many times I have to reitterate that The Shack is not a resource site in itself... I hesitate deleting it's sub-domain only because of the many links to it. Though re-direction may be a plan. Also, considering the lack of active users at the moment, all the off-topic posts in the General forum are just fine, but if the site starts getting more active in the future, I'll have to start asking you to keep them to the off-topic section of the forums. I don't think you guys will have a problem with that though, your all pretty cool. This probably won't be happening any time soon anyways. Other than that, I appreciate every one of you continuing to come here and keeping this site on life support. It means a lot to me.
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You are welcome, and I at least would appreciate more people to talk to, eg. you.
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Spyder, rpgtoolkit.com isn't dead at all. The TKZ site is now rpgtoolkit.coms site. Maybe if I changed the TKZ banner to "rpgtoolkit.com" then you wouldn't get so negative.
When the time comes for Spyder, one of the longest serving community members, to help out CBM...he fails him by talking doom and gloom.
Cheer up, mate.
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Now I am confused, as far as I see it TKZ has replaced RPG Toolkit site.
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Vampz, I think your games section should point to Mystic Software. After all, Spyder already has a nearly complete collection and there's really no point in building another.
Speaking of, there have been a few new releases that MS has missed. Spyder, I have some ideas for a game submission system that I can manage for you (in PHP, self maintainance is the key nowadays). Contact me if you're interested.
There's no need for TKZ and MS to be rivals. TKZ is for resources, MS for games and hosting.
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MS has resources, I believe it is almost inevitable for their to be competition, which will not necesssarily be a bad thing.
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TKZ isn't in any competition. TKZ is the home of the Toolkit. Sites like MS are here to support the Toolkit, thus support TKZ (aka rpgtoolkit.com).
I understand people may be annoyed TKZ got the nod over MS, but it doesn't mean you have to start wanting to compete. It doens't help develop the community.
And Xorlak, good idea..but the TKZ games section is under development and very different from the MS game section. But I probably will, in the mean time, out source to MS's pages.
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Why is the capitalist system in weatern and northern Europe and Canada so great, as well as in the USA? Companies create new products to sell to people, crappy products are not bought so much unless they are cheap. Companies strive to make better and better or cheaper and cheaper products to attract customers, this powers growth and technological advancement.
With two similar sites struggling to be the best, great new things will be created so they can attain that position, but the other is trying to do the same, so more things are created.
That is why communism did not work: they could not get more money, so there was no incentive for more and better thing, no incentive for harder work, so the economy and countries collapsed.
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You're wrong again, Haraldur. Money don't rise, because there is a thing called inflation. The more and the cheaper the products, the less money is needed to buy them, so the inflation falls, and people buy less, etc... It's a natural system which controls the budget and makes it somehow stabile.
Communism was very stabile system, which had no f*** commerce I hate! Banners everywhere, slogans, propaganda, filthy spam, people making money out of every single square meter! Towns during communism looked at least good, they had several posters and banners, but they weren't painted in commerce like they are today! Look how Warsaw looks in old movies and how it looks now.
Currently in Poland, there are about hundreds of cellular phone offers, with various promotions and paying system, the filthy greedy commercialised burocracy thinks over more and more, but what's the difference? There isn't any growth at all, only more commerce.
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However, most technology is driven by companies with researchers etc.
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Yeah, it's somehow liberal from communistic work for government. But at least government provided work for crows of people which became workless after communism fell.
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The problem with the TK community is not that people are out of work, as it is their choice to make a game, but that not many new games are being created, there not very many new ideas, but competition could change that.
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So, competition between the RPG Toolkit website and Mystic Software will increase game completion?
But whatever, all's good.
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Might do, if people want to be better than another group of people.
Of course, we could all want to be better than those who use RPG Maker, but we know that nayway so that form of competition is useless.
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RPG maker sucks. One day people of toolkit will unite and head toward victory over the stupid n00bz using rpg maker! I foretell this.
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Everyone should be able to fortell that.
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With the recent death of rpgtoolkit.com, and the Bx4 forums barely on the horizon, I'll probably start spending a bit more time here in the near future. I've even made these forums my Home Page in IE (used to be rpgtoolkit.com). As such, I may start adding some resources to the site as well. Apparently we still arn't even recognized as a resource site on TKZ, though one of our departments is. It's odd how many times I have to reitterate that The Shack is not a resource site in itself... I hesitate deleting it's sub-domain only because of the many links to it. Though re-direction may be a plan. Also, considering the lack of active users at the moment, all the off-topic posts in the General forum are just fine, but if the site starts getting more active in the future, I'll have to start asking you to keep them to the off-topic section of the forums. I don't think you guys will have a problem with that though, your all pretty cool. This probably won't be happening any time soon anyways. Other than that, I appreciate every one of you continuing to come here and keeping this site on life support. It means a lot to me.
*crys* thats...so...so...touching...WAHHHH!! ok enoguh of that...ill always be here...ive been here since 2002 (i think like september or october) :ph34r:
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Iwill always be here until this place closes, as everything eventually does.
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Spyder, rpgtoolkit.com isn't dead at all. The TKZ site is now rpgtoolkit.coms site. Maybe if I changed the TKZ banner to "rpgtoolkit.com" then you wouldn't get so negative.
When the time comes for Spyder, one of the longest serving community members, to help out CBM...he fails him by talking doom and gloom.
Cheer up, mate.
I disagree. Chris took down rpgtoolkit.com and is just posting the latest news at TKZ. rpgtoolkit.com is merely redirecting to TKZ, but TKZ isn't rpgtoolkit.com. Chris should've never taken down the site. What exactly is the point of doing that? Because he doesn't update much? Who cares! He's not going to update much on TKZ either. How am I supposed to help out CBM by the way? As far as TKZ getting picked over MS, I've already said I'm not surprised. Everyone knows that would've been the better choice.
Xorlak. I agree with you that theres no need for the two sites to be rivals. It would be a pointless rivalry anyways. I'm all for a PHP MS as well. Matt and Mike have started a couple of designs, but neither have finished anything. As for automatic game uploading, this may not be the best idea. We're fairly limited on space, and we can't have people just uploading anything and everything. Which games have I missed by the way? I wasn't aware anyone had released any games in like...a year.
As for TKZ's games section...I don't see how it could be any different than MS's other than being PHP, but I'll guess we'll have to see what happens with it. It'll be interesting nonetheless.
Haraldur and Cesque...is there a topic that you guys can reply to without it going towards a completely different subject? Razz
Matt72186 emailed me today. He suggested seperating MS Games from Mystic Software, and doing away with trying to be a resource site, and focusing more on games, as well as gaming sites. Providing scripts and such for the community to make better sites, etc. Such as the tileset viewer he and Cyranoid have been developing. I'm all for adding the scripts part to the site, but I'm not going to split MS in two. It's hard enough just to convince people that The Shack isn't a seperate site. I'm also not going to drop resources. We've always been a resource site, and always will be. Just because TKZ is larger doesn't mean we should just give up. I'm sure TKZ doesn't have an unlimited amount of webspace, and there are plenty of resources out there that both sites can be up and help the community.
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Well, I was talking about competition and how that might relate to this situation.
If we had different Shacks for different parts of MS, it might persuade people that they are all connected and so all MS, as well as maybe sparking more interest as they are a new idea: each place has either all the graphics you need or all the tutorials.
I reckon the reason that TKZ is winning is because much has happened fast, they have a beautiful new site, many people from the community have become involved and they are new, and people are curious.
The side effects of MS being old is that people are not curious about it any more, but if its structure radically changes, then it might catch people's attention, it would be like a shopping centre with many different specialist shops.
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Actually, chris changed the rpgtoolkit.com nameservers to point to TKZ, they are just yet to propogate.
So in fact, it is rpgtoolkit.com...heh
Chill.
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so are they just fixing the site or something?
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I think it is a permanent move.
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As for TKZ's games section...I don't see how it could be any different than MS's other than being PHP, but I'll guess we'll have to see what happens with it. It'll be interesting nonetheless.
Other than being PHP... to me, that's a HUGE difference, especially with just the amount of PHP the games section will feature once Vampz completes it.
Sorry Spyder, but the Games section will soon be the best part of TKZ (except the forums of course Very Happy), so to try to only compete with that is... well, stupid.
I suggest you wait a few days and see how the Games section over at TKZ turns out. If it's half as good as Vampz has told me, you won't be able to compete with it...
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I am sure competition is possible: monopolies are seldom good for anyone.
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Hmm...I guess I just don't see how good a games section can get...theres only so much content you can add. Just because it's automated doesn't make it a thousand times better... Also, as I mentioned before, people have been working on a PHP Mystic Software. Matt assured me today that he was still planning on continuing his work on it. Again, I'm not trying to directly compete with TKZ. As mentioned above competition is inevitable, but I'm not going to be advertising what MS has over TKZ, etc, or why we're "better". I will be trying to get things TKZ doesn't have, because it would be pointless for the two sites to have the exact same resources.
Haraldur, TKZ is larger because it is managed better. It's also not much younger than Mystic Software. It started in 2001 as well if I remember correctly. Actually Mystic Software's birthday is tomarrow =P. At any rate, when TKZ was first created a lot more people went there over MS then as well. It has nothing to do with TKZ being new...especially since it's not new. Chris chose TKZ as the new home of the TK because he knows he can trust Vampz to keep the site regularly updated, etc. I don't really have that kind of dedication. Also, as far as having "different shacks"; lately I've been debating on whether or not to even keep the shack name. If the site goes PHP, this almost definately won't happen.
As far as TKZ being rpgtoolkit.com, there's no reason to have two names for your site. IMO you should pick one and just stick with it. Obviously it's your site and you can call it whatever you want, but until the banner reads rpgtoolkit.com, I, and everyone else, will always call it The Toolkit Zone.
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Fine then. I am looking forward to the PHP.
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this is intolerable!! :angry: The MS is a part of G Shack!! And then with the small resources but large number of game the MS has, the TKZ is going to set up its own!!! God!! Why dont you just stop putting up a damn game section and I wont be angry. But you taking away everthing the MS has offered to us!!! Stop doing that!! GOD!!!
(note: and im a strong christian and im not supposed to use the name in vein...shows how pissed of i am :angry: )
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Woah. Damn straight.
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this is intolerable!! :angry: The MS is a part of G Shack!! And then with the small resources but large number of game the MS has, the TKZ is going to set up its own!!! God!! Why dont you just stop putting up a damn game section and I wont be angry. But you taking away everthing the MS has offered to us!!! Stop doing that!! GOD!!!
(note: and im a strong christian and im not supposed to use the name in vein...shows how pissed of i am :angry: )
Umm..what? You lost me. TKZ is setting up a section called The Shack? Or am I more lost than I thought...
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I think he was going on about TKZ replacing MS in everything and that that does in some way deprive us of something, which I find as damn straight.
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This needs to be said:
(http://http://haraldur.mysticsoftware.net/rpgtoolkitcomflag.JPG)
Long live the RPG Toolkit!
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Heh, that looks like a South Park clip or something. Anyways, Vampz is working hard, and he deserves the recognition. It takes a lot of work to run a site, and a lot of money. Am I a little offended that he's stealing the sliver of spotlight that MS has? A little, but what am I going to do?
Work harder, as I have been.
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That is good news.
I made that picture quickly in MSPaint.