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Post by: Mark of the Dragon on June 24, 2004, 02:07:40 PM
Answer in da poll and leave feedback below. I think they both have brilliant potential, actually.
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Post by: Dude Man on June 24, 2004, 05:01:19 PM
Neither really. It's not that I don't like them, it's just that I'don't care much. I care about Pork Ribs!
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Post by: Zeros' on June 24, 2004, 08:21:29 PM
Both.
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Post by: Spyder on June 25, 2004, 08:43:03 AM
Though I will probably only end up buying the PSP, I am looking forward to both of them, and what each has to offer, etc.
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Post by: Mark of the Dragon on June 25, 2004, 08:49:39 AM
Well, see, I'll probably get a job during the school year, and if so, I'll save up for both of them, as well as a few games, heh.  I figure $600 should do it (both systems, and maybe 2 games each?)
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Post by: Spyder on June 25, 2004, 08:53:46 AM
I'd say that's a pretty good Estimate. I don't expect the NDS to sell for more than $200, and the PSP for more than $250-300. Each game will probably retail at $30-40 each brand new. Games that are a must for me for the PSP are Metal Gear Solid and GT4. For NDS, if I were to get one, Metroid.
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Post by: Mark of the Dragon on June 25, 2004, 10:59:44 AM
The DS is running for $150, according to EGM. The PSP for $300. The Must-Have games for DS are Super Mario 64 x 4 and Metroid. PSP - Tales of Eternia, Metal Gear AC!D, and Dynasty Warriors. Heh.

Now, for this whole PSP UMD thing...does anyone think that Sony is going to release black UMDs and software that allows users to copy their cds and dvd movies to a UMD? That would be really helpful as opposed to paying another $30 for every movie...<_<
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Post by: Spyder on June 25, 2004, 11:32:31 AM
I won't believe any prices until quoted by a Nintendo or Sony representative. Gamespot said that PSP could run up to $500, and PS3 up to $700. Both figures are ridiculous.

Because of piracy issues, I highly doubt they'll release blank UMD's, especially because they'd have to make a UMD burner as well, as I don't think they're the same format as DVD's. The cost to the user would be huge, since the demand would be very low compared to that of CD and DVD burners. I also don't think that UMD movies will cost any more than their DVD counterparts. Especially because you can't fit nearly as much information onto a UMD as you could onto a Dual Layer DVD, which is what most movies are released as. Not only that, but they have to look at it through a consumer point of view. Most people are going to buy their movies as DVD's, because they already have a DVD player. Movies on UMD will be a novelty thing, and only a small portion of PSP owners will actually buy movies on UMD, so Sony will have to sell at a competitive price to make the format sell well. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see new releases in UMD format retailing at $14.95, and after a number of months, drop to $12.95, and even $9.95.
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Post by: Mark of the Dragon on June 25, 2004, 11:33:59 AM
Well, I highly doubt anyone would buy UMD movies if they already have the DVD. Seriously, Sony should consider it. Also, if Piracy issues are a big deal, shouldn't Sony have some sort of security thing on each DVD or CD?
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Post by: Mark of the Dragon on June 25, 2004, 11:35:18 AM
Oh, besides, I'm going to start making backyard martial arts films soon, and if I get a PSP, I'm going to want to be able to record the movies I make onto a UMD so that I can enjoy them when I'm like totally bored out of my mind on the road and all, heh.
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Post by: Spyder on June 25, 2004, 11:42:04 AM
LOL. Come on now man, you and I both now that copy protection on CD's and DVD's is as useless as trying to plug a faucet with toilet paper. If Sony released burnable UMD's, there would be software on the net in less than a week that let you make perfect copies of all your PSP games. I honestly don't even think that UMD's will fit into the mini-slot in CD/DVD-ROM's, which would also prevent any sort of emulator.
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Post by: Mark of the Dragon on June 25, 2004, 11:57:19 AM
LOL.

But still, legit uses are still possible, are they not? Besides, you must admit u want blank UMDs as well...
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Post by: Spyder on June 25, 2004, 01:10:09 PM
This is true, but for pirating reasons...nothing more.

You could say to put MP3's on, since a UMD will hold many more MP3's than a Memory Stick, for far less money (regardless of the cost of the UMD), but even that is still piracy Very Happy
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Post by: Mark of the Dragon on June 25, 2004, 03:22:38 PM
Just to copy ur own cds to another format? Jesus. Why don't they ban CD-Rs already!
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Post by: Dude Man on June 25, 2004, 03:26:51 PM
Because there handy and light and small and easy to have around!
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Post by: Spyder on June 25, 2004, 07:35:00 PM
Quote from: Mark of the Dragon,Friday, June 25, 2004 1:22 PM
Just to copy ur own cds to another format? Jesus. Why don't they ban CD-Rs already!
Because there is a significant amount of people that use them for other than pirating probably. Not only that, but they would have to ban VHS and audio tapes as well. It would also not slow down pirating as much as you think. People would still rip CD's into MP3's and put them on their computer, which they use as a home entertainment system (like me!). There are also hundreds of different kinds of flash and hard drive based MP3 players on the market that people would still use. Also, it's not the government that's preventing UMD-R's from being made, it would be Sony. They know that the majority of UMD-R's sold would be used to pirate games.
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Post by: Michael J. Hill on July 04, 2004, 11:26:12 PM
Though it would be impossible to make a perfect copy of a PSP game due to the limitations of what a UMD Burner would be, just the same as it's impossible to make a perfect PSX or PS2 copy on current home burners.  Granted there are possibilities that a burner can be reconfigured, or somebody gets a commercial press.  The reason PSX and PS2 discs don't work without a boot disk or somethin is all due to the fact the Boot sector isn't burned into it.  It's amusing....somebody could put multiple PSX games on a DVD and write a boot program for the PS2, they'd need only a press that can write the boot sector.  The same problem would be inherent to UMD without a commercial press.  For those who don't know...DVD presses go for over $10,000 i believe.
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Post by: Spyder on July 05, 2004, 02:07:32 AM
There would be a PSP mod chip as well of course  Razz