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[Ulmec]

I am wondering, doesnt any1 here realize that 2d is like 90's. i mean al games are 3d, when will Toolkit go 3d, cause i am getting bored with it and if it doesnt go 3d soon i will start to write my own 3d engine.

[Dude Man]

You can make sort of 3D games with TK3. <a href='http://www.toolkitzone.com/games.php?file=183' target='_blank'>Mansions Of The Moon</a> is about the closest to it, yet it is not exactly 3D except for the graphics.

And well, so what if 2D is 90s? Maybe most of us like 90s games? I love 2D RPGs, Fallout, Mario-RPG and even those Pokemon games they made for the Game Boy, are great wholesome fun. Plus quite a few fun 2D RPGs were made recently; take a look at the GBA and DS.

But I don't think the toolkit will go 3D at all in TK3, maybe if they make a TK4, it'd be 3D.

[Xorlak]

I've yet to see a 3D RPG even come close to the greatness of 2D games such as Final Fantasy 3, 2, and Tales of Phantasia.  Saying that 2D games are "90's" is a complement, since the early to mid 90's were truely the golden years of console RPGs.

Prefering 3D games is sooo 2000's.  Get with the program, man.  (Heh...)

[DarkElite]

Lol.

Tales of Phantasia? I didn't know anyone else liked that game (or even knew it) other my loser self.  ^_^

But I don't think its really fair to compare the 90's 2D games to the more recent 3D works. It's like trying to compare chocolate to vanilla - they're both just too damn yummy to eat to really care. XD

[Dude Man]

Well, yes but one of my favourite games, was made in the 2000s is Mario & Luigi SuperStar Saga (I have yet to buy a DS and get Partner's in Time).

Like seriously look how awesome it is.

Mario and Luigi about to do a Bros. Attack and pwn the hell out of a Beanie.

Oh no! Fawful dropped a rock to block their path!

The awesome boarder line Mini Game, just one of the millions of awesome mini games.

Oh wait, but despite this game being released in 2004 its 2D. So yeah 2D wins! Wink

[Cuzit]

Isn't there some legal reason that TK won't go to TK4 until cbm comes back?

Or something like that?

I don't expect to see "true" 3D until a long time from now... and newbies would have trouble figuring out how to make the "true" 3D, in my humble opinion.

That's coming from a guy who's trying to learn how to do 3D so I can have 3D in my games.  Laughing  I'm expecting to give up on that because it's easier to make tiles, though....  Sad

[Dude Man]

2D kicks ass. 3D is always nice however. But most people these days only think about the GRAPHICS!! Which is one of the main reason most games never get finished these days.

[Cuzit]

I'm trying to learn Calagari TrueSpace or Anim8r so I can make 3D backgrounds for my game... but its hard. Sad Yeah, if I can't learn it, I'm gonna give up on it, and find someone to make tiles for me (heh) so I can proceed and not leave my game just being a script and a Mwin (heh).

Personally, most 2D RPGs are better than the 3D ones, no?  But anything non-RPG seems to be better in 3D.  Compare Halo 2 to Doom 2, Grand Theft Auto San Andreas to Grand Theft Auto 2, even a PS2/Xbox/GC Tony Hawk to a GBA Tony Hawk.  See the difference?  2D only pwns 3D when it comes tp RPGs.

Of course if you wish to attempt to prove me wrong, feel free to. Wink

[Dude Man]

Halo 2 = Great graphics, long boring shitty story scenes, only able to carry two weapons.

Doom 2 = Decent 2d graphics, no story scenes, just get into the action and kick some ass!

Okay, Halo 2 blows compared to Doom and Doom 2. Doom has everything that Halo does, minus the shitty-ness, and good graphics.

Like when you start Halo 2, you have to endure a long story scene of a bunch of stuff nobody cares about, and then after that you have to run around for a few minutes before you get to do anything.

Wile in Doom 2, just when you start, what happens? There are two zombies standing right in front of you, once you show them the meaning of kick ass a few more come running down the hall way only to gunned down by YOU, not one of your stupid team mate fellow marines.

Grand Theft Auto 2 is my favourite GTA game. Why? The electro-gun. I was pissed to find out that they didn't have the electro gun, what kind of bullshit was that? The Zabatsu, and SRS and all those gangs in GTA2 kicked ass (except for those crazy hippie guys in level 3).

[Cuzit]

Well, I think Halo 2's much more fun.  I care about the story scenes, and if you don't... that's what the A button's for.  Skip!

And if you don't like the marines... shoot 'em.  There's no harm done.  And trust me, you won't have them for long on Legenday mode.  Five minutes if you're lucky.

And I'd rather play SA than two anyday.  You may not, but that's your opinions.

Personally, I thought that Halo 2 is better than Doom 2 and GTASA is better than GTA2.  Since I did think this, I made the comparisons this way.  I guess this is sole opinion, but I still like Halo 2 over Doom 2 and GTASA over GTA2.  My opinions, I guess.

[Dude Man]

Indeed. But yeah, it's okay to have some marines around with you, but only if they're needed. Like Star Wars Battlefront, you need to have more people with you.

But yeah, another reason I don't like Halo 2, is well, you'll either need an XBox, or like $1000 worth of hardware to play on the PC. And frankly, I'm running on Windows 98SE and DA2 lags on my computer during battles. I'm also not the richest person alive, if you know what I mean.

Plus, I just don't find it as fun. I don't get as good of a feeling shooting a bunch those "elites" down with any gun as much as I do, when I just own a group of zombies with the Super Shotgun in Doom 2.

Also, if you skip the videos on Halo 2, it kind feels like you're missing out on a lot. Plus the game seems like it needs the videos, yet Doom 2, doesn't need any.

I'm not saying that videos aren't bad. It's just if they're like long and boring but important then no. Like some of the videos are cool, but those videos with the prophets and that Arbiter guy and all that, like?please. When I play Halo 2, I always say to myself: "Man, this game would be so much better if it was Doom."

Another reason I love Doom 2 is because of <a href='http://www.zdoom.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page' target='_blank'>ZDoom</a>. B)

[Cuzit]

Yeah, the Arbiter sucked.  I'm hoping they don't bring him back in Halo 3, or he dies in it if you have to use him or something so he's not in Halo 4! Wink

And Halo 2 is more modern, and tries to tell a story.  And it doesn't try to do like some of the new 360 FPSs are trying to do by telling the story while playing the game, so it kinda requires the scenes to advance the story.  And its got enough story to qualify three (very good) novels, so, there! Razz

I'm hoping there's more... how do I say, "war-like" scenes in Halo 3.  You know, where you come out on a ledge... look down... and there's millions of enemies and allys fighting below you... and you know you gotta go through them all.  Luckily, you brought a shotgun, a rocket launcher, and a ass-load of frags.  Cool  Yep, it's goin' down!

Get an Xbox 360, which I find very worth it, or an Xbox.  By now, Xboxes probably aren't much more than $150-200 New, but I don't know that fo' sho'.  So... get a used one.  You can probably find a workable one for pretty cheap on E-bay/Amazon.

Trust me... you'll want the marines on Legendary difficulty... but you won't keep them very long!

[Dude Man]

Seeing a War-Like scene would be very awesome, I'd agree.

But the thing I love about Doom, is like you've got the most badass monsters ever, like the Cyber Demon and the Spider Mastermind, like there's that Scarab in Halo 2, but it doesn't do much.

Another thing is, how awesome the Shotguns are in Doom 2, like the Double Barrel Shotgun. Like you shoot a group of four zombie men with it and they each make the same death groans and the fall to the ground the same way at the same rate in perfect coordination...What more can one ask for? B)

[Cuzit]

The shotgun in Halo 2, perhaps? Razz

The weapons keep getting better and better (except the pistol, they toned it down because it was overpowered but now its underpowered... <_< ) so I can't wait to see if they made some kind of bad-ass weapon in Halo 3.

What can be better than a shotgun, in either one of these games?  Have you ever got the hidden Scarab Gun weapon?  That thing is AWESOME.  I wish you could keep it the whole game.  Get it, and have fun with it, and then tell me you think the shotgun's better!

[Dude Man]

I've heard about it. Frankly, I'm just a fan of shotguns (mostly the Doom shotguns), it's just the way ID does their shotguns, I like it.

But what I just really like, I highly prefer 3D games with 2D sprites. And also what I love about Doom is that you fight zombies rather then aliens.