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[Cesque]

Okay. But evolution is not only survival of the strongest. We evolved from small mammals which looked like rodents or primitive marsupials. Let's say the strongest of these survived, adopted to their environment... Now, this way we'll still look like them, except only the strongest of them would survive. No, this way life won't even exist in multicellular form - we'll all look like the "strongest" monocellular creatures which survived. Got my point?

Bible? Hmm, I've read some Bible and apocryphics (I recommend Henoch's book, it is about fallen angels, the real plan of God and the way world is built)

Hmm, Heaven and Hell are other subjects. In some cases, I can say I CAN believe in them, through my pantheism, but I WILL NEVER EVER BELIEVE IN THE MOTHER F*** PURGATORY.

Neither the Bible nor apocryphics (as far as I've read through them) mention this. Purgatory was designed by the Church. But the God is perfect - and he makes perfect decisions - there is no advocate which can defend you from him, nor procurator which wants to blacken you in His eyes, nor any corruption ("sorry, my Lord, I've bought a free heaven ticket in XIV century from the local priest, I want to go to Heaven")... And thus, if God makes a decision - he either allows you to enter His kingdom, or not. If you want to be cleared from sins, do it on earth, don't await some "purgatory" which will do it for you. And thus, all the prayers for "souls in purgatory", so common in Poland, are nonsense.

Also, Hell in my eyes is nothing "just" or "done by God's will", simply if you won't eneter Heaven and be protected by the Lord you'll fall into the dark afterworld inhabited with souls which can shatter yours in their wrath for all Creation (this is also in Henoch's book, why Satan hates Mankind).

That was from bibilical point of view.

From the pantheistic point of view... Life is a game. A perfect games without mistakes. We're all pawns in the eternal Universe, which determines our existence with chemical, physical and spiritual reactions that keep this all together... We'll all die, die for matter we're built from to return to the Source.

Anyway... Dying is nothing glorious.

[Haraldur]

I do not want to die: I do not like the idea of the big switch off.

[Cesque]

It's not the big switchoff. It's an accident which comes from a process. A process, which involves destruction of your own cells.

Almost all deaths come from disoxidation, so be preppared. If you don't like the idea of choking yourself, death is not for you. Let's look closer...

- Carbonium oxide. Reacts with hemoglobine, so your blood can't transport oxygen. So you choke yourself.

- Poison. Works similar to above. Arsenium or cianide prevent blood from oxygen transport. So... same as above.

- Neurotoxinal poison. A better thing, as it paralyzes your nerves which is quite a pain, but you're already dead when you're choking.

- Hanging. It's either pure choking, or breaking spine, which causes choking mixed with paralyze.

- Stroke. Heart stops working, so you... right. You guessed it. Choke, as blood transports oxygen.

- Electrocution. God knows. Propably not choking.

- Shot in heart. Same as stroke. Choking.

- Shot in head. Direct brain damage = direct death. No choke, ekhm, joke.

- Diseases. Good thing... They can be painful, but usually choking is not that rapid and you slowly fall into death, rather than choke instantly.

- Car accident. I've got one myself (not a major one, though), and you get such a shock that you don't even think about yourself choking, as you usually get broken bones and paralyze.

- Age. God knows. A mix of everything.

See? It's pretty easy, everything runs around the damn oxygen...

Unfortunately, we have no democracy in this world, and Mother Nature is communistic, if we would have - I would become a candidate for the state God for the next decade and people would vote for me.

[Haraldur]

I tis still a switchoff, however you look at it, it could be a dimmer switch sometimes, making it slow, but eventually it is always off, brain functions cease. I find that scary, I want my brain to function for ever.

[Cesque]

I don't want to... I just don't want to die. It's an idiotic process. If I'll ever get to choose my death, I would prefer thunderstrike - as it's the fastest death known to me, beside using neurotoxins of Conus Geographicus, as far as I remember it was one of the most poisonous creatures on earth, killing in fractions of a seconds...

[Haraldur]

I would prefer a lot of anaestetic, with nice music in the background, and it to be slow so I could have time for some decent famous last words.

[DarkElite]

Okay. But evolution is not only survival of the strongest. We evolved from small mammals which looked like rodents or primitive marsupials.

i couldnt agree more, the bible never does specify how God created things, but just that he did. leaving room for the idea of evolution to come in

[Haraldur]

You would then have to admit that "6 days" was not completely literal.

[DarkElite]

not neciserely, you see, it also says that he can do anything, so if this evolution thing is what happened, it would have been speed up so fast, that it is beyond theory or posibility now.

[Haraldur]

How does the fact that evolution is still carrying on affect that?

[DarkElite]

it doesnt, it would just be continuing, wether its what was done by God or not

[DarkElite]

unless you were talking about the bird thing, then i have no idea what you mean

[Haraldur]

Personally I do not believe he exists. But there are 2 billion people who believe he does and I can not convince them all about his non-existence so I will leave them to it.

[DarkElite]

thats because we have faith where others do not understand nor see, but i dont means to sound preachy, but just be sure you make the right decision in life...

[DarkElite]

and realy, there will only be 144,000 left on earth in the end, when Christ's reign is announced (Revelations 9-20:all)