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Haraldur

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« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2004, 11:03:09 AM »
I want to be left out somewhere where the ravens can feed on my corpse. Then at least I would have provided some use in death.
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« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2004, 11:10:40 AM »
Quote from: Haraldur,Tuesday, April 20, 2004 9:03 AM
I want to be left out somewhere where the ravens can feed on my corpse. Then at least I would have provided some use in death.
That's....touching... Sad
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« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2004, 11:19:43 AM »
Really? I would not know, I would be dead. I just did not want my body to be gone to waste (as in burial or cremation). I am assuming that by that time there will be no need for donated organs, as there will be therapeutic cloning hopefully.
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« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2004, 11:20:52 AM »
If I have a family when I'm older, I would want to be buried next to my wife. I wouldn't want to be cremated, because burning a dead body seems disrespectful to me. (I don't really know why i feel like that, maybe I'm just odd Razz)

If I'm all alone when I'm older Sad, I would want to be an organ donor.
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« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2004, 11:22:10 AM »
Unless therapeutic cloning is a success, I think organ donation should be compulsory. It would save many lives.
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« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2004, 11:24:11 AM »
Quote from: Haraldur,Tuesday, April 20, 2004 9:19 AM
Really? I would not know, I would be dead. I just did not want my body to be gone to waste (as in burial or cremation). I am assuming that by that time there will be no need for donated organs, as there will be therapeutic cloning hopefully.
God I hope so. Organ cloning could extend my life expectancy by probably 20+ years....
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« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2004, 11:25:18 AM »
All these people against cloning, or think scientists are "playing god" are just shortsighted.
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« Reply #22 on: April 20, 2004, 11:28:37 AM »
I fully support cloning replacement body parts. Cloning an entire human would be unethical though.
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« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2004, 11:31:08 AM »
How is that unethical?
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« Reply #24 on: April 20, 2004, 11:46:39 AM »
because it's a copy of another person.
would you like it if you found out that you were just a copy of someone else?

Maybe you would, but I definately wouldn't.
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« Reply #25 on: April 20, 2004, 11:52:18 AM »
I might indeed want to make a copy of myself, to prevent death of my brain. I do not think that therapeutic cloning will be able to keep the body maintained for everything for a very long time. After all, the nervous system and the cardio vascular system are very complex, as is that of the lymph system (I think). Exactly how could those be transplanted? For the blood system it would be a nightmare to replace brittle arteries etc..
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« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2004, 12:06:34 PM »
I don't see that cloning would prevent the death of your brain. It would make a copy of your brain, but it would have none of your memories and experiences. In my opinion, they make you who you are (mentally) more than anything you're born with.
If your memories could be passed on to the clone, then I wouldn't find it wrong. It would be you in the copy of your body, and you who chose to do it.
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« Reply #27 on: April 20, 2004, 12:13:20 PM »
I get what Asimir is saying, and I do sort of agree. However, arn't identical twins merely copies of each other? Their DNA is exactly the same, it's basically natural cloning. Cloning humans could also lead to couples that can't naturally have children, their own child, that would actually be as if they could have children, without using someone elses eggs or sperm. The advantages far outweight the disadvantages as far as I know. In fact, other than "moral" reasons, I don't know of any disadvantages.
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« Reply #28 on: April 20, 2004, 12:23:23 PM »
I totally agree with Spyder and Asimir. And yeah, exact twins are sort of biological cloning, that's the example I like, too.  Very Happy

If some mental characteristics and some psychology is determined by genes, someone could clone Hitler. Or, worse! Genghis Khan!!!

Moral reasons? Ethics? Well, it's the same thing as having a child. Don't tell me people shouldn't have children because it's unmoral for the children, which are born and have their lives ruined. Same with clones. You don't choose whenever you want to be born or not, same with the cloned persons.

You say only God has right to create life? Well, we all do, WE procreate, not God. And maybe he is the only one who can engineer life as it is? Well, genetic engineering is propably some form of "breeding" that is nowadays done with dogs or horses, except it's far more predictable (you don't have to wait for a horse with good genes to be born, you simply design it so)

Aaah, and cloning would ruin horse riding, because using DNA from single hair piece of best arabian-blood fastest champion you can clone yourself the same one.

Or, will normal people laugh over the cloned ones? Racism and anticlonitism? Lol.
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« Reply #29 on: April 20, 2004, 12:24:13 PM »
Asimir: I did mean that the memories would be passed on etc..
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