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[Cesque]

How? The only way is to implant the brain of the dead person into new body, but that would more likely "ressurect" the person whose brain it was in new body rather than passing memories.

Or you can implant parts of brain. I doubt anyone ever would be able to do so.

Or maybe, you can find a machine - you put empty brain on one scale, full one on the next, and it "transcripts" info from first to second brain.

LOL.

[Asimir]

I get what Asimir is saying, and I do sort of agree. However, arn't identical twins merely copies of each other? Their DNA is exactly the same, it's basically natural cloning. Cloning humans could also lead to couples that can't naturally have children, their own child, that would actually be as if they could have children, without using someone elses eggs or sperm. The advantages far outweight the disadvantages as far as I know. In fact, other than "moral" reasons, I don't know of any disadvantages.

If couples could have a cloned child with DNA from both parents, that's something else I wouldn't have a problem with, because it's just copying what happens in nature. But if the parents can choose which genes they want the child to have, it could cause problems. Lots of people could choose to have children of the same gender (especially in cultures where males are still considered to be better) which would result in there being much more of that gender in the population. In other ways it would be an advantage, because you could prevent the child having hereditary diseases.

And with identical twins, they aren't chosen to be like that, so it's kinda different. My problem with clones is the fact that someone wants to make another person the same as them.
I suppose a clone could feel proud because somebody wanted a child exactly like them, but if I was a clone, I think I would feel like I have to live up to the person I was cloned from. And if I wasn't as successful as them I would feel like a failure.
Then again, I'd probably feel the same if I had an identical twin who was more successful than me.

It just seems wrong to me, and I can't really explain why.

[Spyder]

Your more against genetic engineering then, not cloning. Eventually they could probably change the gender, etc of a kid without having to clone them. And yeah, there is definately ways to abuse it, just like there are ways to abuse everything else, however, I don't imagine that it will ever get to that point, for a few reasons...

A. Not everyone needs to make clones. It's not like your going to be able to buy your own cloning machine at Wal-Mart. There will be specific uses for it. Most people will continue to breed the same way we have for thousands of years, and so the gender will continue to stay 99.999% random.

B. Cloning will be super, super, super expensive. Not just because it'd be an expensive process to begin with, but because people are greedy as hell, and they know that it's something they can charge a huge amount of money for.

As for memories being transferred to a clone, that would be impossible. But I don't think Haraldur and Asimir are on the same page. I think Haraldur is talking about cloning organs, not the entire body, which is what Asimir is talking about.

[Haraldur]

I think cloning organs should definitely happen, but I think I moight quite like a shot of immortality by cloning myself and transferring my consciousness to it, if it is possible in the future.

[Dude Man]

Me 2! I also think that we should be allowed to get extara arms....because I want a 3rd arm.....for some reason...

[Spyder]

I think cloning organs should definitely happen, but I think I moight quite like a shot of immortality by cloning myself and transferring my consciousness to it, if it is possible in the future.

The problem with that is that there would be no way to prove it was actually "your" conciousness in the new body. Say they performed the procedure. Just because the new "you" behaves and remembers exactly as you did before, who's to say that it is actually "you" in the new body? You might now be dead, and there's just a 100% identical you still living on the earth with all your memories, etc. The new you would even swear the procedure worked, because to him it would've seemed like it did.

[Asimir]

Your more against genetic engineering then, not cloning.

yeah, good point.

with the memory transferring thing, i think we were just talking hypothetically (i was anyway)

[Cesque]

I also think that we should be allowed to get extara arms....because I want a 3rd arm.....for some reason...

Yeah, too bad nazism is no more official in german and they no longer make experiemnts on that.

Haraldur - you don't need to clone the body, you can simply extract brain to new one, and you'll live in "other" body. But if you read what I wrote, it's praticaly impossible.

Is it just me... Or do I not want to be immortal? I would personally like to live about 40-50 years, this life is God damn boring! What to do in it if you're some looser with no future? Lol.  Laughing

[Haraldur]

Spyder I know... It is really annoying. I wish there was some way in which you could onsciously travel from body to body, maybe with cybernetical implants.

[Cesque]

Why would you like to live forever, Haraldur? You're rebelling against laws of nature and God.  Laughing

Think - it would eliminate natural justice! Some terrorist, raper, murdered, bandit - they would be able to live forever. In reality, after age of 60-70, they are almost incapacitate of doing what they've done previously.

[Haraldur]

Well, I do not belive in God, and it would not be against nature. Why? The point of nature and life is the replication of DNA. Being immortal would increase the amouint of reproduction I take part in, probably, and would so fulfil the fundamental law of nature.

[Dude Man]

I'm not sure if I'd want to live forever, unless I had someone to live forever with me that was a good friend. But honestly I'd rather die then never die....I'm probally gona die of a hart attack or maybe geting shot....who knows :unsure: ....

[Cesque]

Haraldur, fundamental law of nature is order... And immortality would ruin that order.

[Haraldur]

Really? Where in nature is this "order"?

[Cesque]

Increase weight of sun and we'll all meet feiry death. Decrease it and we'll all fly so far out of universe that we'll die from lack of light along with the plants.

Everything in Cosmos works in order, all the planetar systems. Electrons circulate in streams around atoms in certain order.

A lion pack won't eat all gazelles because later they will starve to death.

Order is everywhere. Don't stray for it.

Let's say your immortal, so hell what? You can still get killed with a gun or starve to death once idea get's popular and people get immortal, procreate and flood earth more than nowadays.