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« Reply #255 on: June 07, 2004, 11:56:01 AM »
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Who the hell put all these crazy thoughts in your head anyways? Maybe you need a vacation...


This will only encourage me to more thinking.

Crazy? These are matters of life and death!  Laughing Who put them...? Hmm, life, school, me.
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« Reply #256 on: June 07, 2004, 12:30:19 PM »
Well take them back out now or you will be banned! :angry:
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« Reply #257 on: June 07, 2004, 12:35:40 PM »
Well, I don't feel like living blind in world where I am a pawn! And you won't threaten me, wanting to put me back to samsara!  B)

Am I so obssessed with these? I doubt. It's every man's natural instinct to want to know truth and want to have justice.
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« Reply #258 on: June 07, 2004, 12:37:35 PM »
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Well take them back out now or you will be banned! :angry:
Whoa...he's harsh...Spyder, are you in a bad mood? Or not...umm....sorry... Sad I'll shut up now...
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« Reply #259 on: June 07, 2004, 09:13:10 PM »
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Well, I don't feel like living blind in world where I am a pawn! And you won't threaten me, wanting to put me back to samsara!  B)

Am I so obssessed with these? I doubt. It's every man's natural instinct to want to know truth and want to have justice.
Seriously though, how do you think your a pawn? I don't do anything for the government. They don't benefit from me in any way other than taxes, and I figure it's justified in everything around me. How could I possibly be a pawn of the system? I think you read way too much propaganda man... Do they post flyers about this kind of shit in Poland or something?

And Dude Man, it was a joke...
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« Reply #260 on: June 08, 2004, 01:37:03 PM »
Every government is corrupt. They have vested interests. Sponsors. And are swayed by pressure groups, and, of course, the grey lobby. Let me see... Dick Cheney was once a leading figure in Halliburton, and now they have a lot of contracts in Iraq. A politician in this country will be ever so careful not to upset the pensioners and soon to be pensioners, because they care more about votes than about the country. Bastards.
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« Reply #261 on: June 08, 2004, 05:29:58 PM »
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And Dude Man, it was a joke...
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« Reply #262 on: June 08, 2004, 06:34:07 PM »
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Every government is corrupt. They have vested interests. Sponsors. And are swayed by pressure groups, and, of course, the grey lobby. Let me see... Dick Cheney was once a leading figure in Halliburton, and now they have a lot of contracts in Iraq. A politician in this country will be ever so careful not to upset the pensioners and soon to be pensioners, because they care more about votes than about the country. Bastards.
That's nice and all...but who cares? Why care? This isn't Nazi Germany. Things aren't nearly as bad as Cesque makes them out to be. He acts as if we're going to become slaves in the next six months. Just because a government has a few corrupt individuals doesn't mean your life is or is going to be horrible. People need to stop stressing so much about what they think could happen, and just start living their life.
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« Reply #263 on: June 09, 2004, 06:44:07 AM »
The point is that it could be much better, and it should be much better. If you cannot rely on the government to do what is best, then the world has gone mad, and it has. That is the distressing thing.
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« Reply #264 on: June 09, 2004, 08:43:12 AM »
So you think government is what should care about citisens? Wrong understand of rules of this world.

Government - any government, be it super democratic or fascist imperial - is a ruling organisation for what everyone works. And it usually does nothing in response (at least in my country).

Basic conception of government: Every citisen has to work, and we'll take about 20% of all their work for ourselves. If they don't work, we will forget about them (why a government should support lazy bums which do nothing, not even want to join the army).

Now, what the government does?

- Organises matters of war and peace without even asking citisens, thanks to government suddenly Poland became engaged in terrorist war, and we became good target for terrorists - they even threatened us in few letters - thank you, government!

Plus, of course there are polish soldiers dying in Iraq and it's nothing, and I don't really care. They wanted to go, they gone, they knew they can die, they died.

- It conscripts males into military. For it's stupid wars to get more influence or defend borders of it's precious country using the human type known as "soldiers" which is propably counted as worse type of man, because it's sent to die for the government. Thank you, government, for sending our people to DEATH! If the politicians declare their (Editor: Censored)ing wars, propably THEY should go there and die on the front. But that's just how the world is built. I can't really curse anyone for that, beside our precious God.

- It drains cash into taxes. For the politicians to buy themselves brand new cars because they so badly need that for the sake of public goodness.

- It wants us to work for them. All work is taxed and such supports government. Now let's look at what the money go for.

Few simple questions - I'll answer basing on Poland.

Can you rely on police?

Of course not. Police = Mafia = Bandicy. What's the difference. Stupid (Editor: Censored)ers in blue clothes which can smile and answer "They can't help because they are under influence of alcohol" as they're off-duty and a woman get's raped and murdered before their eyes.

Can you rely on health care?

(Editor: Censored)ing old ladies go in queques to hospitals because "they need help quickly because their tooth hurts". Needing people die at the ends of these queques. You want help? You want to be first on the list of those who need aid? Sure. Pay us a few bucks and we'll place you somewhere on 5th or 6th place in the waiting list. Otherwise, rot here for months, we don't care if you'll survive or not.

Are you provided safety?

There is a 0.5% chance of being robbed or threatened to give money by bandits for each square kilometer you pass. This of course depends on regions - sometimes it's higher. There is about 5% chance that you'll get murdered by mafia or bandits each year. If you run some real business or win cash in the lottery - you're already dead, mafia's knocking at your doors.

Are you provided work?

20% of people in Poland are workless. People resort to working illegally in Germany or other european countries. You want work, you'll need "strong back", as it is said in Poland (someone who has contacts with government/mafia/some real businessmen)

Are you provided freedom?

Church propagates it's damned ideals at every step. You're doomed to be born baptised, as roman catholic, and live with it. Fat bishops gather money for their new cars, and of course they have links with government and mafia (providing them prostitutes or young boys to molest, you know, it's hard to stand such desires when you live in celibacy and you're old perverted freak who became bishop because they earn LOTS of cash and can afford a good car, villa and their own safety by making friends with organised crime) - which forms the Holy Trinity ruling our country (clergy, government, mafia, 3-in-1).

What does the government provide?

Let's see.

Water - Not for free. Obviously you can't make your own well without passing TONS of (Editor: Censored)ing burocracy material, documents, and such.

Food - Buy it yourself. If you have cash. Of course you can't hunt or fish because economic organisations, having ties with mafia, will get you arrested.

House - You can't build your own, you get arrested. There was a case of man living in forest in mud house arrested, when he was found after 1 year. Old, homeless poor guy. And of course you have to (Editor: Censored)ing pay tons of taxes for each square meter of your house.

Electricity - Again, if you have house. ANd of course we won't build nuclear plants because (Editor: Censored)ing people fear Chernobyl.

Education - Look at simple polish village. Are they educated? No. It can be seen in their faces.

Work, safety, freedom - Ha, ha, ha, good joke. Read above.

Some other things

Some good example of what government does when it collapses: It found new ways to turn peoples' attention! There was an affer, known as "Rywingate", a popular film director Leo Rywin came with corruption proposition to another known man. And government was somehow

Now, courts, publical investigation, (Editor: Censored)!!! 2 (Editor: Censored)ing years and TV put loads of shit about some (Editor: Censored)tard which had to be arrested because he had ties with our precious prime minister Miller who had to be cleansed of all suspections.

Newspapers wrote about it, people watched in TV as things unfold (of course they ended arresting Rywin after about ONE AND HALF OF YEAR OF LISTENING TO THE POISONED STORY!!!) and I ask - WHO THE (Editor: Censored) CARES?

The money who went for all the support of the "solving" (ha ha, we all known court was corrupted) of the case could be used to genocide whole Ruanda and Nigeria and put end to source of 15% of world conflicts.

I'm sick of this.

What government taught me? Hate. Hate toward my own country. I pity myself that I was born polish. Communism at least propagated a man is someone, that every man who builds their regime machine is someone worthy - now we're all shit, who cares, we must listen how solemn the polish nation was defending my (Editor: Censored)ing efnroced religion and the (Editor: Censored)ing "indepedence" we now use to ruin our own future. I do not understand how people can tolerate this.

Ack, yes, I forgot, people adopt to such environments. Thank God for evolution. The new, better race of adopted people invest in bandicy, support corruption, mafia and government, go after money and do everything not to lose their current situations. The only way of getting some place to live in this desolated country is to get corrupted and tainted like everyone else. To go to church, throw money to the priests, support the crime and government, to have "strong back" (contacts) and do not protest against what's happening.

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« Reply #265 on: June 09, 2004, 09:57:34 AM »
As much as I've seen you complain about the USA, Poland sounds like a horrible place to live....

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ANd of course we won't build nuclear plants because (Editor: Censored)ing people fear Chernobyl


There's a really cool game coming out soon called S.T.A.L.K.E.R or something that takes place around Cyernobyl. Looks like a good game. First time I can ever remember hearing about the disaster too. The game designers are so dedicated to the game that they actually went to the disaster site so they could recreate everything in near-perfect detail.
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« Reply #266 on: June 09, 2004, 10:13:37 PM »
Wow. This has gone so off topic.

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« Reply #267 on: June 09, 2004, 10:19:08 PM »
No he won't, me knowing him he usealy gets mad or calls us dumbasses, heh, good times...
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« Reply #268 on: June 10, 2004, 12:47:26 PM »
Riding through Chernobyl

Go here.  Enough said...  Sad

Man he has problems with his country's government and the EU, of course so do we, but that isn't the point.  HIs life is getting screwed by every and their brither.  I have only an inkling of how you feel.

My condolences... Sad

Do you want me to get one of my ships to take you to Mars or something  Smile
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Hmm, everyday life is easier when you don't think of how screwed up your country is.

I'll propably move out from it anyway one day. Where? Maybe India?  Laughing Or Mongolia. Or, more realisticaly - Czech Republic. They have nuclear plants and aren't such assholes as polish.
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