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[Dude Man]

No it is not. The only good thing about it is that you can put it in movies, like Die Hard and such, that was a good movie...

[Zyrshnikashnu]

...I'm amazed it's not worthy of US news coverage...

Yes, it was on the news here. Actually, it made the local news. There was no newsbreak that I'm aware of, though. Of course, it could have happened while I was out (all morning).

[Cesque]

All they have done is serve to have the Russian people and Government become even more aggressive towards their cause.

Those damn rebels. They think there god when they have guns. It sickens me!

Sorry, you propably never heard word "independence" before.

Imagine suddenly Mexico grows in power and it forces US to join it. You're serving Mexican government now, you're forced to learn spanish language, you have to buy burritos rather than hamburgers.

Chechenia was conquered by Russia a long time ago (before WWII), but the spirit of Chechenians is strong enough that they fight for independence constantly. Now that's called "terrorism".

When they want to change their situation, government sends military forces to massacre their cities.

Still, I don't think school attack was a right thing for them to do. But that's not
"Chechenians" - that was done by some terroristic side organisation whose members are Chechenian. The official chechenian partisan group denied any support to such action.

Just because you're all proud happy Americans doesn't mean the rest of the world enjoys serving a strong empire against their will.

[Xavier]

I did not argue the cause of independance is wrong. All I and Dudeman referred to, and you quoted, was how this particular action does not help their cause and is sickening.

But nonetheless in your twisted, borderline racist and obsessive way, use it for no valid reason to attack Americans and their views.

Get over your eastern block hump for once, this routine is getting old.

[Cesque]

You americans simply don't understand such concepts as "independence" believing yourself to be most powerful country in the world. You don't understand a man can have honor and reject offer "I'll give you 5 bucks if you bow down your head before Russia and if not, I'll kick you in the neck."

Oh well. I never truly understood some ultra-stupid desperate suicides in name of some higher stupid ideals, too. But I guess I still have this in blood. Polish is well known in Europe for organising failed uprisings... (in XIX century, during time our country was not physicaly existing, during WWII, the Warsaw Uprising... all we got are thousands killed and stupid poems talking about their bravery a'la "Gloria Victis", damn)

[Xavier]

You really need to stop saying, "You Americans". Geez, talk about stereotyping.

I swear if I said "You Asians" to an Indian, I'd be accused of racism.

And for the record, I'm not from nor do I live in America.

But no doubt in your anti-America stance it doesn't matter - you just want to lump anyone you disagree with into one simple nationality that you can attack.

[matt72186]

Yeah Cesque, it's really annoying how you stereotype anyone who is not you.  You possibly hold the most racist un-open minded views out of anyone here...   True you are Polish, but how personally involved were you in Polish history.  Or in in general how personally involved are you in any matter which you speak of.  Have you lived in America ever?  Have you ever been the victim of terrorism?  I'm not saying that I have done any of these (except for the lived in America thing), but you cannot act like you know everything in this world just because your country has a history that others lack.  You are so gullible to stereotypes it's sickening.

[Cesque]

Let's just say I'm an eastern weirdo from middle-class family of commie-wannabees which realises west must be more freaked-up than I ever thought...

Come on, polish government is supported by about 15-20% of people. And it seems that in the west, governments are supported by at least 75% people.

Because the option that you're living in total paradise doesn't seem good enough, I have to come up with an option that you're simply silly to support government.

America, UK... who cares? It's all one, grand Machina Capitalismi...

:blink:

I swear if I said "You Asians" to an Indian, I'd be accused of racism.

Because west is freaked-up.

Proper definition of racism is "belief that people of other races are inferior toward your race".

Now you say you're scared of black people and you're racist. You say you don't like asian chicks, you're racist. You say a black man is black and you're racist.

[Xavier]

Now you say you're scared of black people and you're racist. You say you don't like asian chicks, you're racist. You say a black man is black and you're racist.

Not only are you wrong, but that's an entirely different matter. Black people are American, English, French...whatever. To say "You Blacks" is offensive to many because you're grouping by skin colour, not nationality.

You said there are little black population in Poland - so I guess you wouldn't be used to a world where they are considered "Polish" not "Black people". So I'll let you off.

But the way you make your arguments, "You Americans", is highly stereotypical and almost hateful.

[matt72186]

well your first problem there is you automatically assume then that every "Western" person you encounter is among the 75%.  You assume that every "Western" person is living in paradise and is not in poverty or stuggling.  You generalize all of us as "Capitalists" when in fact that may or may not be true.  I could do the same to you generalizing you as some Polish stereotype, as a matter of fact I can honestly say that you're just another Polish dude whose views probably reflect those of some bastard who had authority over you and fed you lots of shit about the world at a young age, you grew up a bit and took on those views.  Normally this "bastard" is either a parental figure or a teacher, or any figure of authority.  Before you go on undermining the problems of the world acting like your situation is more (Editor: Censored)ed up than others, try doing some research about what goes on in the world other than what the mass-media reports.

I for one have been an advocate of communistic ideals for many years; however, I do understand that it is unrealistic for humans to be able to support it in as most humans are built on a level of greed.  I'd love to live under a democratic communist government.

[Zeros']

How about we all just shut the (Editor: Censored) up already...Its happened and yes its sickening , but we cant do a damn thing about it.

[Xavier]

Eh?

I guess we shouldn't talk about anything after because it's happened.

Foolish logic.

Anyways, lets continue with the discussion...

[Dude Man]

You americans simply don't understand....

If your refering to me and Vampz, neither of us are American. Vampz, your, UK or something right?

Now you say you're scared of black people and you're racist. You say you don't like asian chicks, you're racist. You say a black man is black and you're racist.

Hmm....you do have abit of a point there. I don't think that makes you racist, I say that make you honest to say that. But I myself am not scared of black people and I do like asian chicks.

matt72186's post

Ahmen I agree!

Anyways, lets continue with the discussion...

Umm....yeah let's!

[Cesque]

But the way you make your arguments, "You Americans", is highly stereotypical and almost hateful.

Should I say "you part of America or UK who supports capitalism, war in Iraq, politics of president Bush, believe your country is best in the world, believe you help rest of the world and that democracy and liberty is a natural desire of every citizen"?

Same way most americans stereotype countries/systems/epople they dislike. You say "terrorists are this and this" but terrorists aren't thinking all one, same, hateful way. You refer to "communists" or "nazis" yet believe me or not, 80% people in the most evil and dictactorish countries are normal people who struggle with everyday problems.

And as I always says, most terrorists are being forced to join or die. I've read some interviews with some Afghani prisoners who were farmers or artisants (it was in polish edition of National Geographic or something, I believe), and believe me, he wasn't too happy when he heard all the stuff people say about terrorists, being barbarian, etc... He was just a man who had to shoot US soldiers or will be killed in a way far worse than being shot.

Believe me, you would do the same.

[Spyder]

What if we don't think our country is the best in the world, yet we think it's better to live here than most other places? What if we support some of Bush's politics, but not others? What if we think liberty is the desire of every logically thinking person on the planet, even if democracy isn't? What if we support the war in Iraq in its effort to rid a region of a tyrant that's killed thousands of his own people; as well as support the effort to bring freedom and hope to those that remain?

I suppose the above would only describe the greater half of our nation though, and you would rather pick on the 1% that believes what you posted above...

BTW, terrorists are thinking in the same hateful way. They think that violence, or terror, is a means to get what they want....hence the term "terrorists". Your correct in saying that most of the people in those countries are normal, rational thinking people, but those arn't the people we're reffering to when we're talking about terrorists. We're talking about the people walking the streets with guns waving around, wearing ski masks because inside they're too ashamed of what they're doing to reveal their own face. We're talking about the people holed up in schools for 3 days, and eventually slaughtering 100+ of their own countries children before dying themselves because they thought they could "save their country" by helping destroy it. We're talking about the people who hijack airplanes filled with innocent people who've done nothing to the terrorists country, and then crashing the planes into skyscrapers, destroying thousands of lives because one man thought that the country that helped save his country, was somehow trying to destroy it.

Believe me, you would do the same.

 Actually I would've shot as many terrorists as I could pick off before they eventually shot me. Either way I die, only my choice didn't involve killing innocent people, and instead, might bring freedom and a better way of life to my family and countrymen.