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[Cesque]

BTW, terrorists are thinking in the same hateful way. They think that violence, or terror, is a means to get what they want....hence the term "terrorists".

In Poland, during war, when Germany occupied Warsaw, there were people who done stealth sabotage actions, suicide attacks (not blowing up, but running into German soldier crowd and shooting as much as they could), of course after their actions in repressions German killed a random bunch o' 25 people to prevent from further such attacks. It did not help much.

I guess the ones who we know call partisan heroes which helped return Poland liberty you should call "terrorists thinking in the same hateful way".

Actually I would've shot as many terrorists as I could pick off before they eventually shot me. Either way I die, only my choice didn't involve killing innocent people, and instead, might bring freedom and a better way of life to my family and countrymen

Now answer the question again, being arabian farmer, standing in doorway with gun against your hand and knife under your throath.

SHoot you? Personally I think true terrorists would prefer to chop off your head or cut your troath, of course videotaping this.

Ha, ha, superhero. Thousands can answer they would do like you but the problem is, what would they do in real situation? I guess you're living a peaceful live away from any wars.

And of course if you would do something against terrorists, not only you would die, but your family as well.

We're talking about the people who hijack airplanes filled with innocent people who've done nothing to the terrorists country, and then crashing the planes into skyscrapers, destroying thousands of lives because one man thought that the country that helped save his country, was somehow trying to destroy it.

How about Americans bombing a wedding of some Afghani people, or American precise bomber shooting farmer with homing missiles because US thought it's some high-ranked terrorist?

Helped SAVE THEIR COUNTRY?

Now that's hilarious.

And you ask me about stereotyping and other shit while you're all a bunch of ignorant bastards, honestly? Reading this all, I am so glad I am not born in US or UK. I am glad my father is a racist (as you would call it, he hates mostly black and arabians) and my mother is pro-communistic.

I invite you to visit Afghanistan personaly and live there for a week as civilians, so that you could see how "saving a country" looks at larger scale.

[Asimir]

How about we all just shut the (Editor: Censored) up already...Its happened and yes its sickening , but we cant do a damn thing about it.

Good point. I guess that in 6 days we shouldn't remember the attacks on the Twin Towers either. After all, it's already happened and there's nothing we can do about it.

[Dude Man]

Those poor people....I hate those damn Terrorest! I hope they all get impaled alive! Not die, just live in eternal pain!

This topic is makeing me sad....I'm gonna go...place Sad

[Cesque]

We had a small debate with a priest on today's religion lessen... which basicaly turned into half of our class defending the terrorists.

In fact, altough I don't think what they done was any good - Russians deserve it themselves, if they think "fight with terror" is raiding towns, murdering whole Chechenian families. Maybe not "deserve", but rather, "they could have predicted their actions would cause terrorism increase".

In case you don't know, the attack was propably revange for Chechenian "free" election in which - basicaly, because votes were fixed - the Cremlin's candicate won.

[deathsquad]

In fact, altough I don't think what they done was any good - Russians deserve it themselves

Yep, Your absolutley right....

Every single one of those kids deserved what they got, How dare they be Russian, How dare they just happen to be born Under the Chechenian's enemy government, It doesnt matter that they didnt have a choice, They Should have delayed their own birth a good many years until After it happened, They should have Moved that day to another place................ :angry:

[Cesque]

Listen, WHO cares about Chechenian kids killed during russian "anti-terrorist" massacres? Who? Can I hear a single voice?

In Chechenia, you live your life, poor damn life under Russian government control, then suddenly you return and see your house burning after last anti-terroristic attack, and before the broken remains from it's doors you see your wife lying in pool of blood with russian bagnet it it's back. And you fear to enter to see what happened to your 6 year old son...

Altough I don't think what these terrorist done were wrong - most of them weren't even Chechenian, but when you see your own children burned alive, you don't think in categories "killing children is wrong". Eye for an eye.

But no one looks at the other side. You only scream loud when children are killed for all see it, but when russian soldiers follow the soviet tactic of mass-murdering men, women and children in Chechenia no one cares, because it's not a thing Russia shows on TV.

[Asimir]

Listen, WHO cares about Chechenian kids killed during russian "anti-terrorist" massacres? Who? Can I hear a single voice?

In Chechenia, you live your life, poor damn life under Russian government control, then suddenly you return and see your house burning after last anti-terroristic attack, and before the broken remains from it's doors you see your wife lying in pool of blood with russian bagnet it it's back. And you fear to enter to see what happened to your 6 year old son...

Altough I don't think what these terrorist done were wrong - most of them weren't even Chechenian, but when you see your own children burned alive, you don't think in categories "killing children is wrong". Eye for an eye.

But no one looks at the other side. You only scream loud when children are killed for all see it, but when russian soldiers follow the soviet tactic of mass-murdering men, women and children in Chechenia no one cares, because it's not a thing Russia shows on TV.

The other day, I watched a TV programme where a Polish guy killed an English person. I suppose that would make it fair for me to kill you.
An eye for an eye.

[Cesque]

First of all, there's difference between murder and government-organised mass murder.

Second of all, I don't say terrorists had right to attack the school.

Third of all, damn, everyone keeps saying "oh my, poor Russian kids" while no one says "oh my, poor Chechenian kids". No one cares about massacred in Sudan because you don't see them. You don't see people attacking others with machetes and smashing newborns on the walls.

Television is power nowadays... by not showing something, it simply makes it nonexistant.

Ditixque Televisor fiat lux, et facta est lux.

[Asimir]

Second of all, I don't say terrorists had right to attack the school.

Altough I don't think what these terrorist done were wrong

Sounds to me like you were saying that.
And murder is murder. Somebody kills another person. Killing innocent people isn't justified in any situation.

[Cesque]

Altough I don't think what these terrorist done were wrong

That's strange, now let me figure out why I said that... hmm... I have no idea. Sounds a bit somehow weird for me now... anyway...

Yeah, death is death. How is death of Russian child better than of Chechenian? How is woe of Russian families better than of Chechenians?

[Xavier]

You don't see people attacking others with machetes and smashing newborns on the walls.

You can only refer to what you have witnessed. Sure it's sad that people get raped every day, that people get murdered every day - but it's not personal enough unless you witness such an event via TV, friends or family.

To say people "don't care" about those suffering in Sudan, for example, just because they don't mention it every day is ludicrous.

Cesque, jump off that 2 foot horse of yours and take off your moron hat, sheesh.

[Cesque]

You want me to invite you for a ride?

[Spyder]

Altough I don't think what these terrorist done were wrong - most of them weren't even Chechenian, but when you see your own children burned alive, you don't think in categories "killing children is wrong". Eye for an eye.

If most of them wern't Chechenian, then it wasn't their children who were burned alive, thus negating the poor "eye-for-an-eye" excuse. Also, how does it help the Chechenian's gain independance for their country when their killing their own children? The children in the school were Chechenian. The terrorists claimed to want independance for Chechnia. So how does killing the people they're trying to save, help them in this situation? If the Russians just go around slaughtering Chechenian's, as you suggest, then wouldn't this school massacre be beneficial to them, since they didn't have to do the killing? If the Russians are out to slaughter the Chechenians, why did they have a police force there to save the Chechenian children from being murdered by their own people?

[Dude Man]

This topic is still makeing me sad Sad .....fix that...Stop the maddness...

[Cesque]

If most of them wern't Chechenian, then it wasn't their children who were burned alive, thus negating the poor "eye-for-an-eye" excuse. Also, how does it help the Chechenian's gain independance for their country when their killing their own children? The children in the school were Chechenian. The terrorists claimed to want independance for Chechnia. So how does killing the people they're trying to save, help them in this situation? If the Russians just go around slaughtering Chechenian's, as you suggest, then wouldn't this school massacre be beneficial to them, since they didn't have to do the killing? If the Russians are out to slaughter the Chechenians, why did they have a police force there to save the Chechenian children from being murdered by their own people?

Did I say it all has to make sense? It's war, and war is usually senseless.

Yeah, the official Chechenian Partisan Group hasn't organised this action, but after identification of bodies some chechenian terrorist group leader was also found among the dead. Propably, most terrorists were hired mercenaries. Also, Chechenians organised similar actions before - Dubrovka theater anyone?

The school children weren't Chechenian, as far as I know. They were mostly Russian, but sure, there might be some Chechenian children learning there.

Russians generally didn't storm the school to save the children, but to kill the terrorists. 300 children are dead now, generally because of the old russian anti-terroristic tacting known as "first shoot, then ask". Similar was case in Dubrovka, where russian soldiers used gas - and 90% of the killed were killed by those who were sent to "save" them.