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[Spyder]

With the recent death of rpgtoolkit.com, and the Bx4 forums barely on the horizon, I'll probably start spending a bit more time here in the near future. I've even made these forums my Home Page in IE (used to be rpgtoolkit.com). As such, I may start adding some resources to the site as well. Apparently we still arn't even recognized as a resource site on TKZ, though one of our departments is. It's odd how many times I have to reitterate that The Shack is not a resource site in itself... I hesitate deleting it's sub-domain only because of the many links to it. Though re-direction may be a plan. Also, considering the lack of active users at the moment, all the off-topic posts in the General forum are just fine, but if the site starts getting more active in the future, I'll have to start asking you to keep them to the off-topic section of the forums. I don't think you guys will have a problem with that though, your all pretty cool. This probably won't be happening any time soon anyways. Other than that, I appreciate every one of you continuing to come here and keeping this site on life support. It means a lot to me.

[Haraldur]

You are welcome, and I at least would appreciate more people to talk to, eg. you.

[Vampz]

Spyder, rpgtoolkit.com isn't dead at all. The TKZ site is now rpgtoolkit.coms site. Maybe if I changed the TKZ banner to "rpgtoolkit.com" then you wouldn't get so negative.

When the time comes for Spyder, one of the longest serving community members, to help out CBM...he fails him by talking doom and gloom.

Cheer up, mate.

[Haraldur]

Now I am confused, as far as I see it TKZ has replaced RPG Toolkit site.

[Xorlak]

Vampz, I think your games section should point to Mystic Software.  After all, Spyder already has a nearly complete collection and there's really no point in building another.

Speaking of, there have been a few new releases that MS has missed.  Spyder, I have some ideas for a game submission system that I can manage for you (in PHP, self maintainance is the key nowadays).  Contact me if you're interested.

There's no need for TKZ and MS to be rivals.  TKZ is for resources, MS for games and hosting.

[Haraldur]

MS has resources, I believe it is almost inevitable for their to be competition, which will not necesssarily be a bad thing.

[Vampz]

TKZ isn't in any competition. TKZ is the home of the Toolkit. Sites like MS are here to support the Toolkit, thus support TKZ (aka rpgtoolkit.com).

I understand people may be annoyed TKZ got the nod over MS, but it doesn't mean you have to start wanting to compete. It doens't help develop the community.

And Xorlak, good idea..but the TKZ games section is under development and very different from the MS game section. But I probably will, in the mean time, out source to MS's pages.

[Haraldur]

Why is the capitalist system in weatern and northern Europe and Canada so great, as well as in the USA? Companies create new products to sell to people, crappy products are not bought so much unless they are cheap. Companies strive to make better and better or cheaper and cheaper products to attract customers, this powers growth and technological advancement.

With two similar sites struggling to be the best, great new things will be created so they can attain that position, but the other is trying to do the same, so more things are created.

That is why communism did not work: they could not get more money, so there was no incentive for more and better thing, no incentive for harder work, so the economy and countries collapsed.

[Cesque]

You're wrong again, Haraldur. Money don't rise, because there is a thing called inflation. The more and the cheaper the products, the less money is needed to buy them, so the inflation falls, and people buy less, etc... It's a natural system which controls the budget and makes it somehow stabile.

Communism was very stabile system, which had no f*** commerce I hate! Banners everywhere, slogans, propaganda, filthy spam, people making money out of every single square meter! Towns during communism looked at least good, they had several posters and banners, but they weren't painted in commerce like they are today! Look how Warsaw looks in old movies and how it looks now.

Currently in Poland, there are about hundreds of cellular phone offers, with various promotions and paying system, the filthy greedy commercialised burocracy thinks over more and more, but what's the difference? There isn't any growth at all, only more commerce.

[Haraldur]

However, most technology is driven by companies with researchers etc.

[Cesque]

Yeah, it's somehow liberal from communistic work for government. But at least government provided work for crows of people which became workless after communism fell.

[Haraldur]

The problem with the TK community is not that people are out of work, as it is their choice to make a game, but that not many new games are being created, there not very many new ideas, but competition could change that.

[Vampz]

So, competition between the RPG Toolkit website and Mystic Software will increase game completion?

But whatever, all's good.

[Haraldur]

Might do, if people want to be better than another group of people.

Of course, we could all want to be better than those who use RPG Maker, but we know that nayway so that form of competition is useless.

[Cesque]

RPG maker sucks. One day people of toolkit will unite and head toward victory over the stupid n00bz using rpg maker! I foretell this.