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« on: September 03, 2004, 08:14:01 AM »
Sickening.....
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« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2004, 09:09:00 AM »
That's Mother Russia, not some tidy-widy western community.

I understand Chechenians, trust me. It's Russia, not US. In Russia, armed soldiers can massacre a civilian town in Chechenia and nobody cares about this. Government does everything to cripple power of Chechenians.

Army had right to make violent action, too. Sure, many died, but it's not like in US, where when someone is taken hostage Bush makes speeches about how they are not going to bow down before terrorist and in short don't give a (Editor: Censored) whenever the hostage will die or not.

And, that's Russia. That's the heritage of soviet methods of acting.
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« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2004, 09:20:44 AM »
Actually, there was an explosion on the inside, likely a child triggered a bomb, causing dozens to die. The hostage takers then opened fire on hostages as they tried to flee at this point - so the soldiers decided they had to act there and then.

More died when hostage takers tried to flee by spraying bullits randomly.

Either way - it was going to end bloody.
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« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2004, 09:36:42 AM »
Didn't have to. The government could've given in.



....but they'd never do that.
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« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2004, 09:50:28 AM »
Heh. So you just want the soldiers to stand there and let the terrorists shoot the children trying to run out? They had no choice to try and do something.

Sure it led to many deaths...but you can't expect them to stand there and watch. They never planned to siege the school, they were still negotiating...but after children started getting shot in front of them...
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« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2004, 10:01:35 AM »
There must be some way it's Bush's fault though right Vampz? There must be a connection with Bush and the US, or Cesque won't die happy....
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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2004, 11:09:11 AM »
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Heh. So you just want the soldiers to stand there and let the terrorists shoot the children trying to run out? They had no choice to try and do something.

Sure it led to many deaths...but you can't expect them to stand there and watch. They never planned to siege the school, they were still negotiating...but after children started getting shot in front of them...

No, I think the soldiers did the right thing. I meant that it could've been resolved sooner with no death nad much less suffering.
I mean, even if there were no deaths in the seige, those children suffered a terrible time and they'll be mentally scarred forever.

But of course, they wouldn't give in to the terrorist's demands.
I would, just to save the lives... but that's why I'll never be a politician.
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« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2004, 11:28:50 AM »
I allways think that someday it might happen, but Dippy is like, No it will never happen, well I sure proved him wrong? It kinda sucks that I did, it's so sad that it happened, those poor childeren.....
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« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2004, 11:34:54 AM »
Umm...DudeMan, this is far from the first time that there have been shootings in a school....

I don't even know anything about this one yet. Anyone have a link to a good article?
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« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2004, 11:41:47 AM »
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Umm...DudeMan, this is far from the first time that there have been shootings in a school....

Oh yes your are far from wrong about that. I remember one when this kid somewere in USA I think went on a shooting rampage in his school, they were talking about that one on Inside Edition for weeks. -_-
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« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2004, 11:41:59 AM »
Some terrorists took hostage houndreds of children in a school, rigged the gym with explosives and stripped the kids to their underwear. In the end, as mentioned, dozens died (latest reports now say 150+) due to the explosions and resulting gun fire. Hundreds injured, bullits riddling their limbs - the pictures on the news are awful. I'm amazed it's not worthy of US news coverage.

Go to <a href='http://news.bbc.co.uk' target='_blank'>http://news.bbc.co.uk</a>, they're bound to have it on frontpage.

And Asimir - do you know what their demands were? The likelyhood is it was far too ridiculous or unattainable for the Russian government to act upon, so they tried negotiating. Negotiations were happening...it's just someone unfortuinately triggered an explosive inside and all hell broke loose. The fact of the matter is the Government were talking to them, and were not flat out rejecting this elusive demands.
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« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2004, 11:52:17 AM »
I'm sure it is in the news here in the US. I only got home from work a couple hours ago though, and don't really watch the news. I just noticed the headline in the newspaper sitting on a table at my work. I just read the article at msn.com, and it said that they were asking for independance for Chechnya (what's new). It didn't say any specific demands though.
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« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2004, 11:56:19 AM »
Independance of Chechnya, how stupid are these rebels? If it was that straight forward to get an area the size of a nation to be handed over to rebels then it would be done all the time. I think I'll take a High School in the US and demand California is given to me.

All they have done is serve to have the Russian people and Government become even more aggressive towards their cause.

Ah well - since when were rebels logical, I guess? Razz
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« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2004, 12:00:09 PM »
Those damn rebels. They think there god when they have guns. It sickens me!
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« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2004, 12:03:08 PM »
Well, terrorism by definition is never a good thing Razz
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