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[Xavier]

It's clear to me most of what Cesque says is void since he clearly has a major dislike of the Russian people.

I'm pretty certain you must be the most prejudice TK user around - aka racist - that I have seen.

You argue yourself into contradictory circles just so you can get at the Russians or Americans.

I feel sorry for you have you have grown up with all this hatred and mistrust of other nations.

Alas, it'll probably be a grudge you'll hold all your life.

[Cesque]

Well, I have way more respect for the Russian nation which is built on vodka rather than US nation which is built on dollar. Razz

I don't hate russians - they just inherit some post-stalinistic methods of dealing with things...

You argue yourself into contradictory circles just so you can get at the Russians or Americans.

Hmm... That's just 2 nations I dislike, not that much to call be racist anyway. And I don't hate whole nations... I hate governments and those who support them. Ah, and a bit added on my own (christian fanatics, even if they don't support government, and such).

I don't hate any ethnic or racial group at least (I don't support homosexuals, but that's othing to do with race or origin).

[Xavier]

It's not your fault - you've probably grown in a social climate where the larger powers of the world are hated and many prejudices, some far beyond the realms of reasonable, are held. You're just a product of that environment, so you can't help it.

It's just a shame 90% of your posts in the Toolkit community as a whole are often fuelled by these very prejudices - as opposed to logic of objectivity. I'm sure you have a great time, but it's tiring to everyone else at the debate board. It's a one track debate with you...

[Cesque]

Well, with most people it is. Zerato keepts talking about Bush, Haraldur about politics/humanitarian aid/democracy and Grant about christianity...

Oh well. Blame it to social climate... My father is pretty much racist Smile He keeps saying about how Americans act senselessly, how modern times suck and how communistic methods would deal well with 'em, then how the "red ones" sucked, he complains about Arabians with their "barbarian religion" cutting throath of sheep before some church in Italy, then of how church falls and how much pedophilia and stupid fanaticism is in it... et cetera, et cetera. Oh well.

His famous quote, "You want to wear your stupid bandanas? Very well, but in Iran, not here!"

Asked what he supports in this all, he said "Hmm... animals?"

And obviously he keeps getting mad at me when I say what I think of this all, saying I will grow into a terrorist or revolutionary because I have too radical beliefs (after I said they should not allow old people to drive cars).

This is the social climate I've grown up in Smile

Not my fault, my hands are clear.

[Dude Man]

Dippy wants to conquer the world and destroy anyone who tries to stop him, I said if we wished to follow threw on that I'd have to kill him Smile . If your father is right, Cesque, and you do become a terrorest, I'd have to kill you to.

I want to fight Terroests when I grow up! Smile  Razz

[matt72186]

Cesque, your problem is that you make too many assumptions, you group massive amounts of people into one generalization.  Well believe it or not there does exist variety in the world, probably not where you come from, but one thing that the United States has proven true is the fact that we live in diversity, especially in California where I live, there are many people with many opinions, and yet for most of the part we are able to live alright in here.  Just because I am American does not mean that I support the actions taken by my government.  As for the Chechenian, I do know about the massacres, and while I do sympathize with the murders in current events, it does not make those massacres any less important, but the fact is the topic at hand isn't about that, the heading for this topic is about the "Russian School Hostage Situation."

[Cesque]

All right, all right... I, despite what it might seem to be the case, also believe in diversity. Razz Sort of.

If your father is right, Cesque, and you do become a terrorest, I'd have to kill you to.

What makes you think that I won't kill you first?

[Xavier]

Dudes, what is wrong with you? Today is September 11th...and you care more about the Russian Elementary School than you do about the attacks on the Twin Towers three years ago?

And the award for most moronic statement of the topic goes to...

[Mark of the Dragon]

Look, I don't know about you guys, but I think that it is more important to remember what happened three years ago than to discuss the school situation right now. Just for this day...

[Xavier]

Yeah - in fact - WHY ARE WE EVEN ONLINE!

Shouldn't we be huddled as families, crying about the death and destruction.

Geez.

Maybe we should never be happy, ever. All these people dying in the world, every day is an anniversary of some event...lets never talk about anything.

It's just a damn topic on a stupid forum on the bloody internet - get over it, Marky Sparky.

[Cesque]

Yeah.

Look, I don't know about you guys, but I think that it is more important to remember what happened three years ago than to discuss the school situation right now. Just for this day...

This obviously begs another question: why should we celebrate day of WTC fall, and not catastrophes like Chernobyl, Hiroshima, start of WWII, Titanic?

[Mark of the Dragon]

Cesque, you live in Poland...you wouldn't understand.

And Xavier, I'm trying to make it clear that we shouldn't forget...but you seem to have done so.

[Xavier]

Right. So I have "forgotten" because I dared post in a topic on the same day as the anniversary.

Great logic, kiddo.

Obviously you have forgotten to, since you're too busy doing stuff on the internet and not remembering the event.

What gives you the right to determine what people can and can't do? Niave little child.

[Cesque]

Sure I wouldn't, I don't fully understand tons of people lightning their stupid candles before portraits of the dead as if it would ressurect them or what... All right, I can get concept of this. Dead should be respected.

But the children whose parents died drawing pictures to place near ruins of WTC... Hilarious... American indoctrination in purest form. Reminds me of soviet children singing "patriotic" songs in schools at Stalin's birthday.

All right, I'll end it before I'll get accused of offending Americans again Razz

[Cesque]

Clearing things up:

According to research about the case, the goal of the terrorists was not taking over the school to terrorise Russians or kill the hostages.

They wanted to concentrate all anti-terrorists on the school, to make a sudden attack on Cremlin, which would be less protected as all AT forces would be in Osetia.

Russian government propably knew that so they sent soldiers to deal with Chechenians quickly - at the cost of death of 300 children lives - to prevent the second attack. At least it worked.